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hcv242
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20 2006 06:24    
does madtracker supports tempo swing
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does madtracker supports tempo swing like in renoise? changing tick speed/bpm wont work for me since it makes impossible to use all the plugins that synch to hosts tempo...
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20 2006 09:37    
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it can be done, but you just have to use a madtracker command for it, eehm.. I kinda forgot how to.. but it can definaely be done

ask franklin for it ^^ he is the all knowing swing master ^^


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20 2006 20:44    
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By changing the ticks with the F0X command, if I'm not mistaken, you can create a swing

Set tick to 6 per line (for example)

Then do this (on any channel)
01 ---- -- -- -F05
02 ---- -- -- ----
03 ---- -- -- -F07
04 ---- -- -- ----
05 ---- -- -- -F05
06 ---- -- -- ----
07 ---- -- -- -F07

Etc

This will make the tempo shift in a swingy manner, without changing the BPM. Smile A nice trick!

Don't trust me 100% but this is the way to do it I think!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21 2006 02:10    
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hcv242 wrote:
changing tick speed/bpm wont work for me since it makes impossible to use all the plugins that synch to hosts tempo...



the FXX changes the tempo and well used, can swing the beat..but also messes up all plugins that sync to the hosts tempo... wich are like 80% of the plugs i use....
thanks for trying to help though...i guess this means madtracker doesnt haves a swing option/feature
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21 2006 10:19    
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I use the parameter and it works with 80% of my plugins, just don't use the madtracker buildin fx (like delay) coz they mess up big time .. other than that .. works like a charm Smile

But you are right a "real" swing option like in fruity loops or renoise is not in madtracker ..


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21 2006 16:44    
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There's to options, either you use the one that's already suggested (the real tempo will be calculated in the bpm-box), or you use the EDx-command, which delays the notes you need to delay to get a swing. That's the most "true" swing but it will also cost some effect lines.

/Daniel


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hcv242
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21 2006 21:30    
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thank you all for trying to help...

the delay note effect is cool...ive used it in some trackers before to get a swing...but its a lot of work.. (you can call me lazy)... changing BPM is a lot cooler... but i havent yet found one single VST plugin that can stay synced with it... (maybe i havent searched enough, but all the ones i have and want to use dont work) ...ive tried tried this in different trackers with no luck...so this is not a madtracker issue... im not a madtracker user....im just looking for some tracker that can swing without affecting the "main" bpm... the apps i know to do this for now are only ableton live, fruity and renoise... if anyone knows any other i would like to hear about it...

thanks
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21 2006 21:54    
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hcv242 wrote:
thank you all for trying to help...

the delay note effect is cool...ive used it in some trackers before to get a swing...but its a lot of work.. (you can call me lazy)... changing BPM is a lot cooler... but i havent yet found one single VST plugin that can stay synced with it... (maybe i havent searched enough, but all the ones i have and want to use dont work) ...ive tried tried this in different trackers with no luck...so this is not a madtracker issue... im not a madtracker user....im just looking for some tracker that can swing without affecting the "main" bpm... the apps i know to do this for now are only ableton live, fruity and renoise... if anyone knows any other i would like to hear about it...

thanks
But the average BPM should be calculated and displayed in the BPM-box (if you don't put your mouse pointer over it), so you can in that way sync with other hosts.

I don't see the problem with getting sync with VSTi's though, since they should react when the note is played in the tracker interface; at the same time as a sample would be played that is.

/Daniel


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22 2006 18:15    
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I like the EDx better because it gives you more controll over the swing. You can for example give different instruments a different swing setting to realy create a groovy whole...

But the tempo change works well to, I haven't had any problems with VST plugins. The thing is, madtracker calculates the global tempo as told above and gives that information to the VST plugins, so your tempo synced stuff is all in time. Sometimes I noticed you need to restart playback if it doesn't, most of the time that's when you start in the middle of a pattern or track...


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