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Yannick
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Joined: 16 Apr 2003
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Posted: Sun Jul 03 2005 11:49
AMD has always been ahead in SMP technology. Yannick (Happy owner of a dual AMD MP 2400+ system.)

QBical
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Location: Utrecht , The Netherlands

Posted: Sun Jul 03 2005 18:44
I'm planning to upgrade soon. And the upgrade will include an AMD X2 ( 4200 ) cpu. Does this helps madtracker in a way, and what about an 64bit version of madtracker? BTW, just bought an M-audo audiophile card, damn, the fact that I've been using a crappy soundblaster live for so many years. The sound this new card gives realy is 10 times better! So if you want to buy a new sound card just for computer music you should realy considder this card ( 99 euro's ) Grtz Raymond
PC: P4 HT 3ghz, 1gb ram, 500GB+ Storage, plextor DVD-rw, M-audo Audiophile 2496 Laptop: Apple Powerbook G4 15inch Other Stuff: Phonic MU802 mixer, Alesis M1 Active Mk2 Monitors, Ipod 2nd gen. 20GB, maxtor firewire HD 80GB

Walter Vos
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Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Groningen, The Netherlands

Posted: Mon Jul 04 2005 11:44
can anyone answer my question on what to do for a mainboard? is there a big quality difference between 100 and 200 euro's?
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Blaster
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Posted: Mon Jul 04 2005 11:48
Walter: not so much a quality difference.. more a feature difference. Like gigabit lan, built in sound/gfx and who knows what more (haven't checked lately).. difference is mostly in overclocking possibilites (of which I'm not too keen myself). Best to find something with the features you like and check if there's some reviews about it.
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Walter Vos
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Location: Groningen, The Netherlands

Posted: Mon Jul 04 2005 12:04
well, i would like a really basic mainboard, don't need onboard sound, onboard graphics, or onboard lan, but i don't seem to have a choice. they all have this shit nowadays (not always graphics, but they do have sound and lan). this is why i was thinking can't i just buy the cheapest one. but then again, is it wise to save money on a mainboard? it's a pretty important part ofcourse.
what is hip? www.waltervos.nl

Walter Vos
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Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Groningen, The Netherlands

Posted: Mon Jul 04 2005 12:17
ok, so i misread. i'm probably not going for a dual core processor. but now i'm wondering, what's the difference between a 'Athlon64 3400+ 2.4GHz 512KB So754', and a 'Athlon64 3500+ 2.2GHz 512KB So939 (type venice)'. the venice type is 60 euro's more expensive, yet 2 megahertz less
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Blaster
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Posted: Mon Jul 04 2005 15:36
I don't know about the difference in performance, but the venice processors are more economical and easier to overclock. But Dutch readers might want to check this if you're thinking about getting a new computer (or new parts): tweakers.net Best Buy Guide (check the game system).
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QBical
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Posted: Thu Jul 07 2005 16:03
AMD is going to make an 'budget' version of the X2, it will cost around 350 euro's. Clockspeed and cache amounts are not yet anounched.
PC: P4 HT 3ghz, 1gb ram, 500GB+ Storage, plextor DVD-rw, M-audo Audiophile 2496 Laptop: Apple Powerbook G4 15inch Other Stuff: Phonic MU802 mixer, Alesis M1 Active Mk2 Monitors, Ipod 2nd gen. 20GB, maxtor firewire HD 80GB

Walter Vos
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Posted: Sat Jul 09 2005 13:30
What do you think of this? ARCTIC Silentium T2 350W zilver (case) 74,90 MSI K8N Neo2-Platinum-54G GL/AGP 939 139,90 939 AMD Athl64 3200+ 2.0GHz BOX Ven 199,90 80GB 7200 Seagate ST380817AS 8M S 54,90 1024MB DDR/400 PC3200 TwinMos 99,90 M-Audio Audiophile 2496 99,00 Total 668,5 I'm ordering today probably.
what is hip? www.waltervos.nl

Inge
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Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Nieuw Lekkerland @ Holland

Posted: Sat Jul 09 2005 18:32

Walter Vos wrote:

What do you think of this?

ARCTIC Silentium T2 350W zilver (case) 74,90
MSI K8N Neo2-Platinum-54G GL/AGP 939 139,90
939 AMD Athl64 3200+ 2.0GHz BOX Ven 199,90
80GB 7200 Seagate ST380817AS 8M S 54,90
1024MB DDR/400 PC3200 TwinMos 99,90
M-Audio Audiophile 2496 99,00

Total 668,5

I'm ordering today probably.

Walter,

Let's comment from my 'I work at a technican helpdesk and hear stories about all consumer hardware for computers 16 hours per week' view.

The Silentium is sometimes a bit tricky to us, but is silent as one can be. Nice one.
Mainboard is an excellent choice. Current top models for nForce4 boards are DFI & MSI. Nice two (pun pun pun)
CPU is very nice. Venice is highly oc'able, has a nice working temperature, and just gives a lot (and powerful!) clock cycles per euro.
The SATA disk is probably nice. Differences between brands aren't that big nowadays. The 8mb cache is very handy. Isn't 80 gb quite small? For peanuts you can go 160 or 250 gb.
Does it support NCQ btw? I don't think your mainboard has the nforce 4 ultra chipset (but just the normal nforce4), and I'm not sure if nforce 4 regular has NCQ support, but it's a good thing to know in advance?
Memory is probably all good. Is it on the compatibility list of the mainboard?
Audiophile = _0_

Ergo: well done. I would be quite happy and content to use this system.

Three tips for a silent system:
1: Get the arctic-cooler 939 cooler of 12 euro. It's very silent, very good, and quite an improvement over the boxed AMD cooler
2: Get a passive cooled gpu if you don't want to use the system for games. A matrox parhelia is said to be top-notch for dual screen setups, although I'm not sure if it exists passive cooled. If your gpu has an active cooler, then consider building a Zalman heatsink on it. Check out their website (www.zalman.co.kr) for more info on this.
3: You might wanna mod your mainboard a bit, remove the southbridge chipset cooler, and replace it for a passive Zalman cooler. Do make sure (at computer fora) that this fan is cooling enough for this mainboard.

Inge

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Walter Vos
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Posted: Sat Jul 09 2005 19:12

Inge wrote:

The only problem was that I couldn't use an ASUS mainboard with this case.

Inge wrote:

Mainboard is an excellent choice. Current top models for nForce4 boards are DFI & MSI. Nice two (pun pun pun)
CPU is very nice. Venice is highly oc'able, has a nice working temperature, and just gives a lot (and powerful!) clock cycles per euro.

Would it make a terrible difference to go for the 3000+ (1.8 GHz)? I would save me quite some money, and I am on budget (though a pretty nice one I think.)

Inge wrote:

The SATA disk is probably nice. Differences between brands aren't that big nowadays. The 8mb cache is very handy. Isn't 80 gb quite small? For peanuts you can go 160 or 250 gb.
Does it support NCQ btw? I don't think your mainboard has the nforce 4 ultra chipset (but just the normal nforce4), and I'm not sure if nforce 4 regular has NCQ support, but it's a good thing to know in advance?

Once again, I'm an a budget, and I can always buy a second hard disk later. Right now I'm sitting on 40 Gb, and even though I sometimes have to throw stuff away (or put on cd-r) I'm quite ok with that size.

Inge wrote:

Memory is probably all good. Is it on the compatibility list of the mainboard?

The only thing on the website that is about RAM is about dual channel DDR. I'm not sure, but I think I'm not gonna have problems here. The guys from the shop will tell me if I do ofcourse (I'm not building it myself).

Inge wrote:

Audiophile = _0_

I already ordered that, should arrive somewhere next week.

Inge wrote:

Ergo: well done. I would be quite happy and content to use this system.

Three tips for a silent system:
1: Get the arctic-cooler 939 cooler of 12 euro. It's very silent, very good, and quite an improvement over the boxed AMD cooler

thnx! didn't think of that yet! it's only a few euro's more expensive.

Inge wrote:

2: Get a passive cooled gpu if you don't want to use the system for games. A matrox parhelia is said to be top-notch for dual screen setups, although I'm not sure if it exists passive cooled. If your gpu has an active cooler, then consider building a Zalman heatsink on it. Check out their website (www.zalman.co.kr) for more info on this.

euhm.... maybe later

Inge wrote:

3: You might wanna mod your mainboard a bit, remove the southbridge chipset cooler, and replace it for a passive Zalman cooler. Do make sure (at computer fora) that this fan is cooling enough for this mainboard.

Inge

yeah right! me, modding a mainboard. Very Happy

Thnx Inge, I'll make up my mind somewhere tonight I think (hmm, or maybe I'll wait until tomorrow, since they won't see my order until monday anyway)

what is hip?

www.waltervos.nl

Inge
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Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Nieuw Lekkerland @ Holland

Posted: Sat Jul 09 2005 19:30

[quote="Walter Vos"]

Inge wrote:

Walter Vos wrote:

The only problem was that I couldn't use an ASUS mainboard with this case.

That's probably because of the lame horizontal third ide connector. Nevermind: it's DFI/MSI all the way for current nforce4 chipset mainboards.

Inge wrote:

Walter Vos wrote:

Would it make a terrible difference to go for the 3000+ (1.8 GHz)? I would save me quite some money, and I am on budget (though a pretty nice one I think.)

No, not really. Nevertheless, clock cycles make the world go around, so the more the merrier. Don't worry about it though: if the difference in costs is high, then simply drop the 200 mhz or the 512 kb l2 cache.

Inge wrote:

Walter Vos wrote:

Fair enough.

Inge wrote:

Memory is probably all good. Is it on the compatibility list of the mainboard?

Walter Vos wrote:

If it's a kit (so two modules in the same package), then it's probably all good. The company that builds the thing will also test the computer, and check if the memory works good enough. Nevertheless: run over to www.memtest.org, download the memtest program, and test your memory once the computer hits your house. Just to make sure (we see these poor computers coming back all the time; poor lads).

Inge wrote:

Audiophile = _0_

Walter Vos wrote:

I already ordered that, should arrive somewhere next week.

Sweet. Great asio performance. The only thing it was missing for me was an optical out/in. My next card will be one of these though, since I start using md's less and less (hello mp3 recorders, bye md's).

Inge wrote:

Walter Vos wrote:

thnx! didn't think of that yet! it's only a few euro's more expensive.

Yeah. Just ask the person where you order the thing to include it. They might even have a non-boxed amd 3200/3000, which will be about 10 euro's cheaper. In that case, you would have a great cooler for nothing.

Inge wrote:

Walter Vos wrote:

euhm.... maybe later

Inge wrote:

Walter Vos wrote:

yeah right! me, modding a mainboard. Very Happy

Haha. Okay. You could ask the shop if they can pre-mod it. Nevertheless, most of the times the warranty drops if you mod a board. It's very easy anyway.

Walter Vos wrote:

Thnx Inge, I'll make up my mind somewhere tonight I think (hmm, or maybe I'll wait until tomorrow, since they won't see my order until monday anyway)

Sure. I know what a bitch it can be to find the right components. After all, once you bought it, you definately need to be sure that you can trust your computer. I'm *really* happy with my setup, since it's as stable as two rocks that are placed inside concrete (or some other lame metaphor).

Inge

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Walter Vos
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Location: Groningen, The Netherlands

Posted: Sat Jul 09 2005 19:53

Yikes, I'm not gonna quote and unquote the whole text again to squeeze my comments in.

I think I'm going for the 1.8 GHz processor, saves 50 about euro's.

Quote:

I'm *really* happy with my setup, since it's as stable as two rocks that are placed inside concrete (or some other lame metaphor).

LOL!

Edit: How about 'as stable a building for the shelter and feeding of domestic animals, especially horses and cattle'?

what is hip?

www.waltervos.nl

Walter Vos
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Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Groningen, The Netherlands

Posted: Sun Jul 10 2005 22:34
New question: should I really go for a 64 bit processor? I heard that almost no programs actually use this technology. Will it even give me a bit of an edge? I think you need the 64 bit version of windows to use it to it's full potential anyway. And I'm not planning on spending a couple of hundred euro's on that.
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Inge
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Location: Nieuw Lekkerland @ Holland

Posted: Mon Jul 11 2005 00:02
The 64 bit AMD is just way faster than the XP AMD for regular 32 bit environments. You should view its 64 bit support as a nice extra, but not as the key characteristic of the cpu. Trust me: you get the most cpu-power for bucks if you buy an AMD 64. Inge
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