Brian
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Joined: 10 Aug 2003
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I though 2.3 had voodoo code support... |
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BeatMax
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Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Sep 01 2003 14:26
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Here is my story, take a coffee and enjoy:
Some things I`d like to say about madtracker and why I have chosen it.
Like many others I started my tracking years on the good old A500 with Soundtracker, Noisetrecker, Startracker and then Protracker. When I got a PC in the later years I needed a software that could give me the same or better even more flexibility. That was the time when I discovered Fasttracker, that was around 1996. Since then I used Fasttracker 2. I was quite happy with it until a friend of mine told me about madtracker. Because I got used to FT2 a lot I needed a tracker that supported the same effect codes to get started faster. I tried it out in the beginning and to be honest, I was absolutely frustrated and used only the fasttracker mode.
Compared with Fasttracker 2 the interface is very different. Nothing worked the way I wanted it to. It was a bit tricky to get it to work. At that time I used a bad motherbord with via chipset which caused alot of crackling in madtracker. But once I got this right it worked "nearly" perfect. Since then there have been some bugs in madtracker I lost some of the mods I started but luckyly it is under permanent developement so known bugs have been fixed and now it is quite stable.
The seperate track effects are a nice feature. You save a lot of effect code for e.g. delays and reverbs. And they are easy to use and settings can be changed easly or they can be controlled by the automation. The automation was a bit tricky for me in the beginning and I needed some time until I understood it. Once you get it its a breeze to use! I also like the filters. Till then I used the 9xx effect and a filter sweep sample to get nearly as close sounds . But a offset controlled samplesweep will never sound like a real cutoff filtered sawtooth wave but it can result in interesting soundscapes  . Besides that it saves filespace which was at that time quite rare.
Another good feature is the support of stereo samples. The wave export is worth to register too because the quality is constantly increasing with the developement of madtracker. Speaking of registering, I began to love this piece of software and so I finally decided to pro register it. Because of the continuously improvement of it I believed in its success and waited eagerly for newer versions with newer features. Thanks to Yannick the coder of madtracker for the great and fast support! Actually Madtracker supports 24 bit 96 kHz wave export! One day I will never forget was the day when Mindplay supported his reverb-plugin. The tracks sound so much better with it if you don`t overuse it. Thanx to
mindplay here  .
The next one was the introduction of the winamp plugin. Now you could listen to your tracks with nice visual effects. I often use this to try out the feeling of the song, especially if It is trancy or chillout. You cannot "feel" into the song if you see only columns of code. You are actually hearing what you have done. Well at least that is a method that works for me.
When I got more experienced in the use of madtracker I tried to find out new tricks and searched the web for a good tutorial, but the only but good tutorials I found have been written for madtracker, impulsetracker or modplugtracker but no one wrote one for madtracker. That was the time when I began to write down the experience I got with madtracker to help other user. Since no one was there to support the madtracker community with such a tutorial, why shouldn`t I write one to share my experience. Plans were made and I started what is now the BeatMax Madtracker Tutorial. Big thanx to the community for all the support and constructive critics. The positive feedback showed me that I am on the right way and I hope that I did all to get new users motivated to use this great software.
Why I havent changed the trackers and why I am still using madtracker? Well actually I am not only using it at all but I am using it mostly to put my ideas into music. I just got used to it. I used it for years and to swap from one tracker to another with a completely different interface and so on is a different task from fasttracker to madtracker it wasnt that hard because of the same commands. At least its better to work with a program that you perfectly now than with a feature exploding software where you dont know to start. I tried out Fasttracker 3, Modplugtracker and Renoise. Renoise has high potential but I dont have time to get in all the details it offers. Though I havent worked with VST-Plugins a lot and like I said I am not used to it. It is a great program without doubt. Dunno where this comes from, but personally I like to fiddle around more with hex numbers effect columns and envelopes The other trackers havent really convinced me.
At the moment I have only few time. Need to get my studies right, personal stuff etc. But if I have time for tracking I always enjoy working with this great piece of software and like to add my new experiences to the tutorial to share it with the tracking community.
Thats my story so far
Never forget... practice practice practice!
yours
Manuel Jehkul aka BeatMax/PREDICTION |
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Sonitus
Beta-Tester
Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Gothenburg, Sweden
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Posted: Wed Sep 10 2003 10:31
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My god, Beatmax! That's quite a novel. I'll read that some other time when my boss isn't breathing down my neck.
Anyhow, I think I'll keep on saving my story for the success-story section, whenever I'll take time to write one of those, that is... |
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TOffe
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Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: nomad
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Posted: Wed Sep 10 2003 13:57
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the idea of this topic was to get enough information to Inge so that he could/can write an article. I doubt he will find the information usefull in the future... |
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http://www.myspace.com/meltic
"You don't get harmony when everybody sings the same note." -Doug Floyd |
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Inge
Man-At-Arms
Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Nieuw Lekkerland @ Holland
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Posted: Wed Sep 10 2003 16:01
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| MyztiQue wrote: |
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Anyhow, I think I'll keep on saving my story for the success-story section, whenever I'll take time to write one of those, that is...
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If possible, please write it down here. It doesn't have to be a sellable novel Just some points which got you into using madtracker, why you are still using it, and a list of good and bad points about madtracker.
Thanks in advance!
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Sonitus
Beta-Tester
Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Gothenburg, Sweden
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Posted: Wed Sep 10 2003 23:31
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| Inge wrote: |
If possible, please write it down here. It doesn't have to be a sellable novel Just some points which got you into using madtracker, why you are still using it, and a list of good and bad points about madtracker.
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I'll try to find the the time for it, some day soon then... |
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Yannick
MadTracker Author
Joined: 16 Apr 2003
Location: Belgium
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Posted: Thu Sep 11 2003 08:29
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Hurry... Deadline is in 3 days for Inge to write the article.
Yannick |
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Martin
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Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Norway
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Posted: Thu Sep 11 2003 11:19
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Perhaps Inge will be kind enough to publish the link to the article when the magazine is out?
- Martin |
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Noorachy
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Joined: 30 Jun 2003
Location: Brussels - Belgium
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Posted: Thu Sep 11 2003 11:28
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Well...here's my story...(short version! )
I discovered the world of trackers in 1996 with FT2 and I loved it!! It was so easy to put your ideas in music, it was so fast and intuitive that I remained stick with FT2. But in 2000 I discovered MT2...And It was a shock! Windows, new instruments, effects, automation,..and the Mpreverb!!
It was the tracker of my dreams!
But the world of computer music is evolving very fast and now MT2 has some weaknesses. This the reason why I'm waiting MT3 with impatience because it will be the tracker of my NEW dreams!!
Why I didn't change? Well, I tried other trackers (buzz, modplug...) but I prefer the interface of MT2. I don't have a lot of time for tracking actually and I'm simply waiting MT3...and, by the way, Yannick is belgian, me too, and I want to support him, because I like my country and Yannick is really talented! That's it!
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Blaster
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Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Netherlands/Germany
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Posted: Thu Sep 11 2003 14:27
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by the way, Yannick is belgian, me too, and I want to support him, because I like my country and Yannick is really talented! That's it!
Noorachy
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Hehe, that would be almost a reason for me to not use madtracker. There's some healthy rivalry going on between our 2 countries |
united trackers |
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Noorachy
Registered User
Joined: 30 Jun 2003
Location: Brussels - Belgium
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Posted: Thu Sep 11 2003 16:26
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| Spaceman wrote: |
Hehe, that would be almost a reason for me to not use madtracker. There's some healthy rivalry going on between our 2 countries
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Rivalry??? naaaaaaa...  When I think rivalry between Belgium and other countries, I immediatly think to France!
Oops...I think I'll have new enemies.... 
...Just for fun.... 
Noorachy |
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mikx
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Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Melbourne
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Posted: Thu Sep 11 2003 17:00
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hehe
speaking of france, i heard some french guy died from hot weather, and it was only 31 degrees!
what the?!?!
mikx |
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Inge
Man-At-Arms
Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Nieuw Lekkerland @ Holland
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Posted: Thu Sep 11 2003 17:05
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Please, let us not argue about countries. Since I already passed a deadline (flu isn't helping much either), I would like to keep this topic as on-topic as possible. Please use this thread to give your view on the matter, or to discuss reasons that have been mentioned in previous postings.
Thanks in advance for the co-operation,
Inge |
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Sonitus
Beta-Tester
Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Gothenburg, Sweden
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Posted: Fri Sep 12 2003 01:56
My "story". |
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For me it all started out back in Y2k, when I heard some of TOffe's first tunes. He was using FT2 at the time. This encouraged me to try it out as well. But because of my insanly crappy soundcard, FT2 wouldn't run on my computer. So, I went looking for other alternatives on the net and somehow I found MT2. I tried it, and it worked. I started to discover all the functions and effects, and after a while I was able to make something that sounded really good (at the time). I played it to TOffe and he got kind of impressed, because he didn't know about the track-effects. So TOffe also tried it out and we started to help each other out to discover the powers of MT2. Eventually we became to love this little program.
Stuff I love about MT2:
- The interface (no flashy crap, just plain).
- The easy-handled effects and commands.
- The sample-manouvering possibilities.
- That it's so damn easy to taylor-make your tunes (especially drums).
- That it's still simply the best tracker available.
- The community
- The fact that a tune made in MT2, can make a record-company believe that you made it in a pro-studio.
Stuff MT2 lacks:
- VST-capability.
- DX-capability.
- Automated panning.
- Multiple tracks-effects on each channel.
- Catherine Zeta-skin.
I've converted to CubaseSX/Reason2 back and forth plenty of times, just to be able to use hardware-synths, effects-boxes, VST(i)- and Dx-plugins and I've even made a record-deal. But I always turn back to MT2 sooner or later. It's just so damn hard to let go. My creativity doesn't flow as much with those programs as it does with MT2.
So, now I'm back with Madtracker again.  |
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Inge
Man-At-Arms
Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Nieuw Lekkerland @ Holland
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Posted: Fri Sep 12 2003 10:07
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Thank you! Again more material for my survey. I'm still waiting to hear Yannick's reasons why he uses the program though
I will point out a few reasons why I use the program myself. I started it at the moment where my crappy soundcard couldn't be supported in FT2 no more. I needed an alternative, already tried (and hated) modplugtracker, and then stumbled into MT 2.x (I really can't remember). At first, I only used the FT mode, but after a while I tried the MT mode too. It was great. An extra fx line (because of the separate panning codes), cool track fx and great ease of use.
Here is my list of positive things:
*amazingly intuitive; it's really easy to transform what you got in mind into a pattern.
*fast; it takes very little time to actually build a song
*ease of use; what I want is what I enter. Period.
*challenging; I like to think out how to achieve certain sounds without fourteen VST/DX plugins to cover my lack of knowledge.
*lazyness; I've tried Renoise, Skale, Orion, Reason, Fruityloops, but I just can't get use to them. The points stated above don't seem to function there, and thus I hate working in that environment.
*the scene; I didn't post over a few thousand messages because I got little better to do I like the atmosphere and the people who are involved in this. I will sound like a boyscout, but I like to help new people with mastering and improving their knowledge.
*I really enjoy receiving 250 euro from Jens for every 'very good' review that I make of crappy Sunbuster tracks.
[how I loathe these tracks. but I'll get through. don't worry.]
And now the downsides of MT:
*no VST(i)/DX(i) support, and thus no realtime sample manipulation and not the chance to change sample parameters in the melody you are working on to experiment if it sounds better. Furthermore, without VST/DX support, songs can't be finished in MT itself. I always have to export all channels and post-master them in Wavelab & Acid. I would love to see MT as a all-in-one product, that is there from the beginning till the end of the song.
*automation for every parameter
*a better synchronisation between panning, codes and the mixer. It would be nice an effect that can be applied both via codes as via automation, would result in both ways. For instance: if I use automation to change the filter Q from 0 to 80, then it would be nice if the values in the pattern editor would change too. That way I could more easily switch between codes and automation. The same goes for volume control.
*an integrated database of cellular phone numbers of famous & attractive female movie stars. I know how to find Brad Pitt's number in MT, but I just can't seem to find Cameron Diaz' number.
Bring 'em on...your input is invaluable for the progress of the article, and thus the gospel of MT. Either good or bad critics, I want to know them!
Inge |
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