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D Vibe
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I can't say that the pop music is getting better. It's more like, "Hey, this sounds good, better copy their idea, so we can sell lot's of records too!!" .. It seems like the fantasy of the pop producers are getting smaller and smaller, and the variety of the pop scene is getting thinner. I mean, in the 80's there could be a synthpop tune, a reggae tune, a hard rock tune, a hip hop tune, a techno tune, and a jazz tune in the same top ten list... Tell me when that happened last in the 90's and 2k's ?
Guess that all's blinded by money, that they don't dare taking any risks on their highly costing pop projects... And the masses is swallowing it..
With this, I don't say that all that's in top 10 is crap.
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Sunbuster
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Posted: Thu May 06 2004 16:08
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And so, QBical's simple request for an acapella turned into a POP debate 
Anyway, I have to agree with c-frog and mikx here. I'm not saying all pop tunes are shite, but in general they do all follow the same pattern. Someone comes up with a formula, and all others copy as much as they can when they notice it sells. The pop industry is more about making money, than about introducing new ideas.
But to get back to QBical's request. Sorry, I found many Britney Spears acapellas, but not of everytime. However, I did find a scumfrog vocal mix and an above & beyond radio edit of everytime, which I find pretty interesting. Only wonder if they're the real thing... |
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QBical
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Posted: Thu May 06 2004 17:37
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Koekie Koekie kapaa ft Twan de Houthakkerman
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What??? Lol, that must be one of the funniest names I ever heard 
What kind of music do they make?
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That's some random quotes from my hip hop band 'The United Fund of Morons', Most saturday nights we come together and create a track with lots of beer and stuff...
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( I'ts all in dutch BTW, but some kick assss beats flowing from madtracker )
Anyhow, I agree with most of you that most pop music is mostly about copying and pasting...
But I find exceptions to that rule all the time, new idea's come out to. I mean we as an audiance aren't fools. If they want to sell records they need to come up with something new or we toss the artist away as an one hit wonder...
I think it's the same with dance music, all the genres have pretty mutch the same structure all the time...
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Inge
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Posted: Thu May 06 2004 18:33
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Ah, finally: a discussion about the death of post-modernism. It seems that all styles have reached their outer limits. I have been wondering about this phenomenon for quite some time now. In my opinion, all possible borders have been found, and only narrow areas that lay in between styles can still be representing new sounds. I can't imagine deathmetal becoming any harder (there's a deathmetal show after our radioprogram, and I really don't think it can get any more distorted or louder), elektronics becoming more varied and wide (terrorcore, Alex Empire's projects, minimalistic experiments with noise, tekno, ultraslow-evolving ambient tracks that last an hour), classical music becoming more modern (I've heard some stuff live of experimental classical music, and it really can't become more experimental and progressive without entering an area of not being music no more), and crossbreeding projects have been performed that link every style of music.
If someone can convince me that there are still new areas to discover, please enlighten me. This end of growth is a question that is somewhat frightening me. Furthermore, this question is frightening all areas of art. Both literature as graphical art mention that 'something' is coming that will follow up post-modernism, but no one has a clue what it is. Help me out here!
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D Vibe
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Posted: Thu May 06 2004 18:42
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I believe that music is a personal way of describing the feelings the composer and producers have. A composition is quite dead without the "sound" and the sound is quite dead without the composition. They both cooperate in a way that make all music unique in its own way, maybe not always hearable by the audience, but for the composer it might be very important differences... That's why I exactly don't believe you can really have contests in music  . At least, noone should take it too serious!
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Walter Vos
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Posted: Thu May 06 2004 19:23
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That's some random quotes from my hip hop band 'The United Fund of Morons', Most saturday nights we come together and create a track with lots of beer and stuff...
Click here
( I'ts all in dutch BTW, but some kick assss beats flowing from madtracker)
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If someone can convince me that there are still new areas to discover, please enlighten me. This end of growth is a question that is somewhat frightening me. Furthermore, this question is frightening all areas of art. Both literature as graphical art mention that 'something' is coming that will follow up post-modernism, but no one has a clue what it is. Help me out here!
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Well, it doesn;t get any worse than this I hope....
But about new music... I'm pretty sure they'll come up with something new again, think wave motions (golf bewegingen, literally translated) |
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InHousePussy
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Posted: Fri May 07 2004 02:53
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Personaly I'm just waiting for the "Motzarting"(read William Gibson - Neuromancer") era.....  |
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Blaster
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Posted: Fri May 07 2004 09:07
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I think with the discovery of new sounds (instruments), there will be new genres music. But it might take awhile now...
I mean the past 50 years musictechnology made an impressive step (the introduction of electronic instruments).. compare this with the variety and development of stone age music instruments (this took well... some thousand years?)
I agree with the hitmusic formula though.. In the Netherlands it used to be very happy dance music in the mid 90's (which I love btw), but nowadays it's all different (it's worse! it's worse I tell you!). So one has to look a little harder to find something that pleases the ear.
But it's always fun to have the urge to make a song so much better (well in your own view) by remixing it |
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technoid
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Posted: Tue May 11 2004 00:49
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If someone can convince me that there are still new areas to discover, please enlighten me. This end of growth is a question that is somewhat frightening me. Furthermore, this question is frightening all areas of art. Both literature as graphical art mention that 'something' is coming that will follow up post-modernism, but no one has a clue what it is. Help me out here!
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Well, most people don't realize that modern Western music is bound by the rules/guidelines created by JS Bach when he developed what we have now as equal-tempered 12-pitch chromatonality. There are other radii/microtunings out there besides that. I'm sure people know of 5-tone diatonality. There's also 19-tone (19 tones per octa, of course). In beat structure, there are experimental music constructed polyphonetically playing 2 time sigs simultaneously, not one, like "normal" music. I don't think I could do that without studying the sheet music first, heh. Right now, your world view of pop music resides around Western influenced musical styles. Look around and find Eastern cultures basing their own pop music around their own musical constructs. Sure it may sound ethnic and exotic, but sames goes for them when they hear "our" side's compositions. Of course, Western influence has already crept up around the world due to electronic communications and has already "invaded" many countries, insomuch that they have integrated it with their own. Yeah, experimental music is where it's at, not just in the timbral dept, but also in pitch and timing classifications. The only thing that "music" is physically bound to is that it is inherently binary. |
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Walter Vos
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Posted: Tue May 11 2004 11:26
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Interesting stuff man, i should study that a little i guess. Do you have any artist names for me to search for or websites maybe? |
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technoid
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Posted: Tue May 11 2004 14:02
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There's tons of shiznit out there, heh. I'd do some surfing on the subject matter first, before looking for specific artisans.
Umm, try these to whet yer appetite:
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/6080/ji0519.html
http://www.constancedemby.com
I mentioned Constance Demby in here awhile back. She's a pioneer in electronic music, including inventing the Space Bass, Whale Sail, etc. These are real TUNED avante garde metallic instruments and their sounds are not computed inside a computer or synth. Here's an audio sample of the Space Bass found at her site... http://www.constancedemby.com/ATTUNEMENT/ATTUNEMENT04.SB.mp3
In fact, Skywalker Ranch Studios (George Lucas) used these sounds.
I dunno, I'd have to look back at my old Keyboard issues just to recall experimental music articles. But to appreciate a lot of music besides what you are comfortable with, you'd have to get into ethnomusicology. This of course will take you more into primal sounds and rhythms rather than avante stuff. Advanced music theory should also be the ticket. Stuff like Stockhausen, Schoenberg serial tone and theory thought up in the first half of the 20th century might prove some good reading. I say 19-TET might be the next advancement in pop music, heh, but it's gonna be awhile til a lot of folks could understand and appreciate this scaling.
Oh yeah, wasn't this thread about Britney? |
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CHICAGO¤lollie
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Posted: Wed May 12 2004 11:20
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Or a certain Britney Spears acapella?  |
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D Vibe
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Posted: Sun May 16 2004 18:56
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I actually heard this tune today on TV .. It was nice! Damn nice! I'm not sure that this "sorrow" style is really Britney Spears though  ... Doesn't really feel real!
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N0N
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Posted: Thu May 20 2004 20:26
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Britney Spears... (no comment)
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mikx
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Posted: Fri May 21 2004 11:19
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never mind.. qbical, did you end up finding the acapella?
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