mikx
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Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Melbourne
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*an integrated database of cellular phone numbers of famous & attractive female movie stars. I know how to find Brad Pitt's number in MT, but I just can't seem to find Cameron Diaz' number.
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HAHA! useful feature with which i can finally get a date with michelle branch..
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Toa
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Joined: 12 Sep 2003
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Posted: Fri Sep 12 2003 11:13
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I only use MadTracker to finish my old songs. Everything new is made in Renoise, because I find that program superiour to MadTracker in absolutely every way I can think of.
Too bad Yannick wont join the Renoise development team...  |
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Inge
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Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Nieuw Lekkerland @ Holland
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Posted: Fri Sep 12 2003 12:19
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I only use MadTracker to finish my old songs. Everything new is made in Renoise, because I find that program superiour to MadTracker in absolutely every way I can think of.
Too bad Yannick wont join the Renoise development team...
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Could you please explain why Renoise is 'superior to MadTracker in absolutely every way' you can think of? It's of great importance to me to find out why users have gone to Renoise or other programs. Thanks in advance!
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goose
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Joined: 11 May 2003
Location: aroundabout
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Posted: Fri Sep 12 2003 13:10
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OK, here's mine...
I Started tracking on Octomed on an Amiga, then FT2 on PC, then MT2 on PC. As MT2 was free, it was easy to try it out for as long as I needed.
MT2 was small enough to keep on floppy disk and economic with CPU to run on less powerful machines. I have hardly known MT2 to crash, so is a reliable workhorse.
WHAT I LIKE ABOUT MT2:
Fractalesque hex number system is ideal for 4/4 based dance music, for structure, rythym and using effects values.
Spreadsheet like interface is ideal for quick cut/copy/paste, especially across tracks, and from pattern to pattern.
Instrument editor has easy to manipulate loop points, with nifty pan and volume envelopes. Perfect for creating new sounds, with customised attack, sustain, decay etc. Comprehensive note off options add life to sounds with total control. Instrument filters, vibrato etc enable me to tweak my sounds to fit.
FX are basic, but effective. MindPlay's reverb is really clean and doesn't colour the sound.
Versatile commands combined with automation envelopes can provide some very unique sequences.
Clean up function is great for avoiding bloated files.
High quality Wav export was available cheaply, once I was happy enough with my tunes to release.
Helpful author and forum.
There are more points I could make, but really the main point is that MT2 allows me complete control from start to finish, as it doesn't hide the maths of music from me. I have adjusted my way of working to it, and have reaped the benefits. So, in effect, it has taught me to see sound in a different way.
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Toa
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Joined: 12 Sep 2003
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Posted: Fri Sep 12 2003 17:09
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Could you please explain why Renoise is 'superior to MadTracker in absolutely every way' you can think of? It's of great importance to me to find out why users have gone to Renoise or other programs. Thanks in advance!
Inge
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Ok... Here goes:
Renoise has support for VST instruments and effects which opens up a whole new world in creating music.
ASIO support.
It has more native DSP's (StereoExpander, EQ, Compressor, Phaser).
Unlimited DSP effects per track! No need to reroute the tracks.
You can have several note- and effectcolumns in a track.
Fully configurable interface. Every function imaginable can be assigned to whatever key you want.
Multistep undo/redo in patterneditor.
Support for loading MP3s as samples.
You can rearrange your instruments and tracks (move them around in the list).
GUI Themes (makes it look nicer :p )
The interface also feels much better when you just gets used to it.
I can't think of any function in MT2 that's not in Renoise.
Renoise is still under heavy development by several coders, and new versions with new features are often released. Soon it will have piano roll too (even if I dont care too much about that)! 
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vfgdfg
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Joined: 06 Jun 2003
Location: Finland
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Posted: Fri Sep 12 2003 18:04
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f*ck renoise  |
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Inge
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Joined: 04 May 2003
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Posted: Fri Sep 12 2003 18:14
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Ok... Here goes:
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I think you made your point  I'm going to use this information. Some points of it are more based on personal preference than on objective measurement though, so they won't get in all of them I'm happy enough with arguments contra, because it's the only way of actually comparing things. More! More!
Kind regards,
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vfgdfg
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Joined: 06 Jun 2003
Location: Finland
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Posted: Fri Sep 12 2003 19:42
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Seriously speaking, I'm sure renoise has all the bells and whistles but MT3 is going to have some bells and whistles too. In the mean time I don't see point start venturing with different trackers.
MT2 was the first Windows based Tracker I bumped in to after my hd broke and I lost all my XMs, I was several months without any tracker at all (I thought at that point I quit the whole hobby), one day I though to look for a Windows based tracker (not knowing such things actually exists) and found MT2, tried it, I found the interface bit weird but got quickly enough used to it and to it's annoyances ( ) and now I wouldn't switch it to anything. Except maybe MT3.
I think it's useless try to think what's better in MT2 than other programs, as Toa said, there's no function that renoise wouldn't have, but to me, personally, MT2 just feels like home.
I know this doesn't really help Inge but it's just my story. |
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Inge
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Posted: Fri Sep 12 2003 19:53
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Actually, it does help me. A tracker is meant to serve the needs of the specific musician, and not give far more opportunities than a user needs. If mt serves your needs, then there is no use switching. If you do demand complete control over vsti's, you will easily step to renoise. It all depends on your demands and needs.
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Blaster
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Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Netherlands/Germany
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Posted: Fri Sep 12 2003 21:16
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I don't make much music at all, so I'm not a real MT2 user. But there's some points which made me register it anyway:
- The interface: it's quick and friendly. Not cluttered like Renoise or Skale (never got into trackers untill 2 years ago).
- The promise of MT3 (well ok, not really a pro).
- The community. I really like this board..
Downside for me:
- lack of multipattern sequencer (ok, it has this but not the way a real multipattern sequencer looks like).
- lack of vst/vsti support.
So when MT3 comes out I'll probably use it a lot more, but I promised myself to remix something during the weekend.. so I hope I have something to show you all on monday  |
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TOffe
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Inge
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Posted: Tue Sep 23 2003 22:59
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It's growing. I missed the initial deadline, but the article is getting shaped. Don't worry: all your feedback will be integrated in it. I'm more than happy with the material I can work with
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spline
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Joined: 26 Jun 2003
Location: Sweden
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Posted: Mon Sep 29 2003 07:21
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Here are other things that is better in Renoise...
You can make a automation envelope of any track parameter, panning for example or of any vst/vsti parameter.
Unlimited lfo's that can control any track effect or vst/vsti parameter.
Midi support.
You can block select any parameter in a track, not just the whole track.
You can quickly jump to any channel by klicking its name in the track spectrum view.
It has a cpu meter...
It has send tracks.
Place a effect on a sendtrack and it affects all tracks that is routed thru the send
track.
It has the enter key from FT2. when you press the key it plays all the instruments on that row.
Renoise's GUI looks better.
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Things that is better in Madtracker.
Song information text.
The ability to solo a instrument.
The ability to record a sample while playing the song.
A winamp plugin.
You get a webpage when you register.
Madtracker's GUI is easier to get into for a new user.
I think that the main features that Renoise have will be in madtracker 3.
When and if madtracker 3 comes out it will probably be built on a better ground, more flexible
and better layot of the enviroment.
In the meantime Renoise is also developed, and when is madtracker 3 comming out?
Noone knows...
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Blaster
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Posted: Mon Sep 29 2003 08:04
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In the meantime Renoise is also developed, and when is madtracker 3 comming out?
Noone knows...
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When it's done 
I really hope MT3's UI isn't as cluttered as Renoise's. I for one don't need all the info on just 1 screen. |
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Sunbuster
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Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Finland
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Posted: Mon Sep 29 2003 10:07
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which reminds me, I like that Madtracker has all the separate windows (mixer, automation, track fx etc.). That means, if one would have the money (and space) for a second monitor you'd be able to spread out the program on both monitors, having all the extra windows in one monitor, and the main window in the other. Not sure if other trackers have this feature, but that at least is one feature I like in MT (and would use if I had a second monitor ). |
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