TNK / ATK project
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Location: Village-Neuf, France (Dont's search on the map, it's tiny...)
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 Posted: Mon Oct 18 2004 23:32
Help me not to miss a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity ! |
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Hello Madtrackers,
I've probably got a once-in-a-lifetime occasion to prove myself as a worthy composer... and also to prove that madtracker is suitable for highly professional productions. Let me tell you what happened :
You probably all have heard of a TV show called "Popstars" or "Making the band" in your country (the concept being aired in more than 100 countries in the world, you probably have a local edition). Bands like "Girls aloud" in the UK, "O-Town" in the USA, "No angels" and "Brosis" in Germany, were created by this show.
In France, the 3rd edition (aired in fall 2003) created 2 bands : One R&B boys band (called "Linkup") and a Rock girls band (called "Diadems"). Unfortunately, the Diadems singles flopped and they were dropped by their label...except one : Ophélie (http://www.m6.fr/html/emissions/popstars/filles/ophelie.shtml). But to avoid the mistakes of the diadems single, she looked for someone who were able to compose her tracks in the kind she likes (something between Evanescence and Robbie Williams) AND to arrange / record professionally (especially the guitar parts).
And in her quest for the "magical composer", she ended up on ...me 
She heard some stuff I did with Caillean and was quite impressed as it seems.
However, after a 2 hours long phone chat with her (Seems those "flopped" singles still brought her some money in if she could afford such a long call ), it appeared that my only flaw was that I didn't know how to record live guitars at a professional level.
However, I know that some of you know how to record a guitar perfectly (I especially think of vfgdfg, Xnme or MoTi who had some great live guitar parts in their mt compo 3 entries). Could you tell me how you do this (what hardware (microphone,...), how do you use it for that particular use... and if it's even possible to do on a soundblaster (creative audio PCI)) ?
If you manage to tell me this, be sure I'll do my best with Ophélie to take some madtracker stuff to the highest highs of the charts ! MT has here a chance to get the recognition it desserves, help me not to miss it !
vfgdfg, Xnme & stuff : If you're indeed the great guitarists I think you are, you might even end up on her album too !
Last thing : Yannick, if her label agrees with this, and if I manage to get some MT made tracks on her album, would it be OK to interview Ophélie about how MT was usefull to her career and to post a link to some online store where people can buy her album ?
Best regards, and wish me & Ophélie good luck ! |
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Elijah
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Joined: 20 Jan 2004
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Eh?
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Posted: Mon Oct 18 2004 23:57
Re: Help me not to miss a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity ! |
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hey man. this is what you need.
at least, this is what i use for acoustics.
OK.
ACOUSTIC GUITAR
most important.
1. Preamp.
2. good soundcard.
3. studio mic (you need a wide body condenser for instruments.
ELECTRIC
1. Preamp
2. Good soundcard.
plug the guitar cable into the preamp to minimize noise. |
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TNK / ATK project
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Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: Village-Neuf, France (Dont's search on the map, it's tiny...)
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Posted: Tue Oct 19 2004 00:03
Re: Help me not to miss a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity ! |
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ACOUSTIC GUITAR
most important.
1. Preamp.
2. good soundcard.
3. studio mic (you need a wide body condenser for instruments. (...)
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Can you give me brand names that could work with my soundblaster audio PCI 128 ? (What preamp, what studio mic...)
Thanks a lot in advance.
Best regards, TNK |
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Sonitus
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Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Gothenburg, Sweden
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Posted: Tue Oct 19 2004 01:07
Re: Help me not to miss a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity ! |
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| TNK / ATK project wrote: |
| PimpJuse wrote: |
ACOUSTIC GUITAR
most important.
1. Preamp.
2. good soundcard.
3. studio mic (you need a wide body condenser for instruments. (...)
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Can you give me brand names that could work with my soundblaster audio PCI 128 ? (What preamp, what studio mic...)
Thanks a lot in advance.
Best regards, TNK
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First off, I'd recommend you to buy a better soundcard.
Microphone: A classic Shure SM57 should do the trick.
Preamp: Behringer Tube Ultragain (or something similar) or you could use a "pod" (that's the easy way).
Good luck! |
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www.myspace.com/sonitusswe
www.vibraonline.com |
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TNK / ATK project
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Location: Village-Neuf, France (Dont's search on the map, it's tiny...)
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Posted: Tue Oct 19 2004 01:11
Re: Help me not to miss a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity ! |
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First off, I'd recommend you to buy a better soundcard.
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Which one ?
In fact, the SB audio PCI 128's sampling is fine, but I wonder if the impedance (right word here ? You know, the electric resistance - in Ohms) of the mic you're telling me about is compatible with such a soundcard (or to what soundcard would it be compatible with)
| MyztiQue wrote: |
Microphone: A classic Shure SM57 should do the trick.
Preamp: Behringer Tube Ultragain (or something similar) or you could use a "pod" (that's the easy way).
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Will check this out. Hope this doesn't cost $ 1.000.000 !!!
Couldn't the noise reduction feature of Adobe audition replace the preamp quite well ? (I mean, the preamp is only here to get a better signal to noise ratio at the input of the soundcard. But if you manage to remove the noise without destroying - or by just destroying it a little - the wanted signal, it could do a pretty good job. Good enough for a pleasent demo CD listening).
| MyztiQue wrote: |
Good luck!
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Thanks a lot, I'll need it. |
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Jesse Moore
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Location: Tipp City, Ohio, USA
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Posted: Tue Oct 19 2004 01:14
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sound card recommendations:
Creative labs' Audigy 1 or Audigy 2 (you'll want to use the kx project drivers with creative's cards for best performance in music)
or you could go with a terratec card (Inge could give you a good idea which one) |
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Elijah
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Joined: 20 Jan 2004
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Eh?
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Posted: Tue Oct 19 2004 02:52
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ok....
the preamp (Behringer Tube Ultragain Mic 100) and studio mic (Nady Gold Diaphram Condenser Studio Microphone) #1/#3
both only cost me $250 cdn. and if this project is really once in a lifetime this is very affordable in euros.
my audigy 2 NX (mobile) allows me to record 24 bit audio, with very low sound. $115.. i think
and...  NO! the adobe audition noise reduction does not even come close to the sound you can get with a preamp... not even close....!!...!!!!!
:edit:
- the noise reduction function in Audition also cuts all the high frequency of the wave file. and makes it sound like a low quality sample. not exactly something you want to put on even a demo cd.
:end edit:
i will record something soon and show you the diff.\\
:edit again:
ok.. here is 'the difference'
http://soundsofcalgary.madtracker.net/mymusic/thedifference.mp3
the first part is preformance mic with no preamp and no audigy,
the second part is the first part with noise reduction
the third is a raw recording of preamp, audigy and studio mic.
sorry. i dont have my headphones so i basically had to use only my crappy laptop speakers to judge what it sounded like. |
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TNK / ATK project
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Location: Village-Neuf, France (Dont's search on the map, it's tiny...)
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Posted: Tue Oct 19 2004 03:37
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| PimpJuse wrote: |
the preamp (Behringer Tube Ultragain Mic 100) and studio mic (Nady Gold Diaphram Condenser Studio Microphone) #1/#3
both only cost me $250 cdn. and if this project is really once in a lifetime this is very affordable in euros.
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Clear. But is this configuration compatible with a standard soundcard's impedance input ?
I indeed plan to change my good'ol SB audio PCI 128 to some newer stuff (Audigy 2), but still, I wonder what should I change 1st ? The mic + preamp or the soundcard ? I guess the 1st one.
| PimpJuse wrote: |
and... NO! the adobe audition noise reduction does not even come close to the sound you can get with a preamp... not even close....!!...!!!!!
i will record something soon and show you the diff.\\
:edit again:
ok.. here is 'the difference'
http://soundsofcalgary.madtracker.net/mymusic/thedifference.mp3
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I guess the 1st part uses the audition noise reduction whereas the 2nd part uses the preamp, right ? Indeed, the difference is impressive.
I'll consider looking for this stuff you told me about.
Thanks for your advices.
Best regards, TNK |
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Yannick
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Joined: 16 Apr 2003
Location: Belgium
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Posted: Tue Oct 19 2004 08:59
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TNK: Good to see you're so appreciated by the French Jet-Set. 
About your mixing request, you can contact my father who runs a home studio in his spare time: pierre at protea dot be (he speaks French, like me - with a Belgian accent but it's not visible on e-mails )
He knows well how to record drums (as he's a drummer) but I believe he also knows how to record live guitars as he had to do it several time.
Yannick |
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Inge
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Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Nieuw Lekkerland @ Holland
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Posted: Tue Oct 19 2004 09:29
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You'll need a good soundcard for sure. You won't hear immediate differences, but when processing stuff that has been recording with a low signal/noise ratio, the hiss/crackling/humming will definately start interfering while processing the recordings. This goes both for any external source: vocals, guitars, whatsoever. I don't think that a low-budget Creative Soundblaster will give you a good signal/noise ratio.
You might consider taking a look at Rightmark. This Russian company makes the most valid audio analyzer that is available. The forum is full of test results of different cards. Furthermore, the people there are really friendly. I advice you to make a forumpost, in which you ask what card gives the best results for the task in mind (and the budget in mind).
Common semi-professional cards are from M-Audio (the Audiophile still is one of the most-used producer cards) and Terratec (TOffe has a Phase card, Yannick an EWX, and I a DMX, so we can always do some testing for you ). Creative is sort-of not done in the recording world, although their latest semi-professional line (
Here's a rather comprehensive Soundcard-comparison:
http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/compare/
It's already outdated, but it gives a nice idea of how different brands/types stand up against eachother.
More comparisons:
http://www.computermusic.co.uk/reviews/h2hsoundcards2/scards2main.asp
Here's a nice resource for soundcard-manufacturers:
http://www.synthzone.com/sndcard.htm
Good luck, and let us know if you got any naked pictures of the singer!
Er...no.
Let's u know if you got any music or additional questions!
Inge[/url] |
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TNK / ATK project
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Posted: Tue Oct 19 2004 11:43
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TNK: Good to see you're so appreciated by the French Jet-Set.
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She's all but a jet setter I in fact got the contact through a girl with whom I was working with 5 years ago and who is of her family.
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About your mixing request, you can contact my father who runs a home studio in his spare time: pierre at protea dot be (he speaks French, like me - with a Belgian accent but it's not visible on e-mails )
He knows well how to record drums (as he's a drummer) but I believe he also knows how to record live guitars as he had to do it several time.
Yannick
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Thank you very much for this. I'll try to improve my "studio" too (This can always come handy)
Where does he Live ? Ophélie lives by Metz (Lorraine, France), so it could not be too far from his place.
Has he got a computer on which we could run madtracker ? (Or if not, I'll bring my laptop).
Best regards, TNK
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You'll need a good soundcard for sure (...) I don't think that a low-budget Creative Soundblaster will give you a good signal/noise ratio.
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I know the SB audio PCI has a 80 dB signal 2 noise ratio (and the audigy a 105 dB one). I might however consider a terratec card (maybe not the phase 28 but a smaller one)
I'll take a look at it. This seems interesting.
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Good luck, and let us know if you got any naked pictures of the singer!
Er...no.
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Fake naked pictures of her are available online since she took part to that TV show. For a non naked picture, you got one here :
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Let's u know if you got any music or additional questions!
Inge
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Be sure I'll keep you updated on this subject, and thanks for all your help.
/TNK |
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Yannick
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Joined: 16 Apr 2003
Location: Belgium
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Posted: Tue Oct 19 2004 12:29
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Where does he Live ? Ophélie lives by Metz (Lorraine, France), so it could not be too far from his place.
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Namur, Belgium.
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Has he got a computer on which we could run madtracker ? (Or if not, I'll bring my laptop).
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Yes he can run MT without any problem.
I didn't mean that to make you record here, but rather collect advices and suggestions. He can also listen and give feedback about the mixing.
But now if you want to record here it's not a problem at all... only for you with the distance. Drop him an e-mail to start and you'll see...
Yannick |
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TNK / ATK project
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Posted: Tue Oct 19 2004 15:01
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I didn't mean that to make you record here, but rather collect advices and suggestions. He can also listen and give feedback about the mixing.
But now if you want to record here it's not a problem at all... only for you with the distance.
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Namur is closer to Metz (where Ophélie lives) than my place is. And there seems to be a direct train connection whereas to reach me, she'll have to switch train in Strasbourg.
Best regards, TNK |
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Silas Rye
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Joined: 27 Apr 2004
Location: South Carolina, USA
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Posted: Tue Oct 19 2004 19:16
yes a new sound card is definitely in order |
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sound blaster sucks,
i was using an aark 24/96,
sold that, problems with configuation and mb.
Im looking at an m-audio 410
the prosonus firestation(discont) and firepod, ive read have excelent built in preamps. the firestations are discontiinued though, and no more support(so im not going with it) but price wise i think $250-350 american for either the m-audio 410 or presonus firestation. Overkill but highly reveiews are the motu products, like an 828(if i had the money id get a mk 2). I think you need an excelent mic for vocals, and your going to need a sound booth(closet with mattress and blankets, foam somthing). I wish you luck, but it sounds like you have quite a jump to make equipment wise. |
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