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 Posted: Sun Jan 02 2005 11:44
Using the pattern effect row with VST plugins |
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For my humble little document about how to use VST plugins inside MadTracker, I would like to learn of end-user experience with the pattern effect row for manipulating VST plugins. Please tell me which commands work (such as CC xxxx or ED x), which ones won't, and if they have any limitations.
Ofcourse, any other feedback is also always apprectiated. Thank you in advance!
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Sunbuster
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Posted: Tue Jan 04 2005 12:38
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The lack of respons as far as the CC command goes can probably be narrowed down to a couple of reasons:
1. there is no proper documentation on how to use CC commands in Madtracker (as CC commands afaik have a limit of three digits, should the effect be enter CC0121, or CC1210 for instance). This could be corrected slightly if Yannick was to tell us how CC should work in Madtracker.
2. I haven't seen a single plugin to date which would document how the plugin uses CC commands, if it uses them at all. At least not on the freeware side...
3. the problem with trial by error: There really is no standard on the CC commands that says a certain command does a certain thing in all plugins, so you have something like 128 options to explore, and even then you don't know if the plugin supports CC commands or if you've used the correct syntax in Madtracker.
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Inge
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Posted: Tue Jan 04 2005 12:57
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Indeed true. Yannick should sort the CC commands out. But what about the other commands in the effect row? Are there other effects that can manipulate VST instruments, and if so, which one and till what degree?
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Yannick
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Posted: Tue Jan 04 2005 13:03
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Here is a document that shows the standard controllers.
Some plugins ship with an explanation of their CC support. E-Phonic Invader for instance (you should have a gif file).
The syntax is:
CC <2-digit code><2-digit value>
Codes and values are 0-127, which is 00-7F in hexadecimal.
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Yannick
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Posted: Tue Jan 04 2005 13:04
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Besides, only the volume and panning will affect a VST plugin. But only with a note start.
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Inge
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Posted: Tue Jan 04 2005 13:07
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Besides, only the volume and panning will affect a VST plugin. But only with a note start.
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Then where on earth did I find that the command
"Delay notes by x ticks (ED xxxx)"
works for VST instruments?
Furthermore, are you sure about this panning row being functional? I can't get it to work, actually 
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Posted: Tue Jan 04 2005 13:15
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| Inge wrote: |
| Yannick wrote: |
Besides, only the volume and panning will affect a VST plugin. But only with a note start.
Yannick
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Then where on earth did I find that the command
"Delay notes by x ticks (ED xxxx)"
works for VST instruments?
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well EDX doesn't really affect the vsti in the form of a sound change, as you write yourself it's only a trigger effect when the note should start playing in the track. the volume on the other hand can change the vsti "sound" if you got an envelope enabled to the velocity change inside the vsti. but I still think the EDX command is a really important one. |
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Sunbuster
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Posted: Tue Jan 04 2005 15:59
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EDx does affect VSTi's, works just like regular samples because it shifts when the note gets triggered, not the sample.
Volume works like Yannick said, affects only on note start
Panning however I haven't gotten to work, not in the panning column at least.
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