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XnmE
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Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Warsaw, Poland

Posted: Sun Jan 23 2005 17:31 velocity
is it possible to use velocity with VST sampler like Battery inside of MT?
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aRGee
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Joined: 24 May 2003
Location: Holland

Posted: Mon Jan 24 2005 21:50
Do you mean if it´s possible with the madtracker-sampler or with battery inside madtracker? Madtrackers sampler isn´t capable of triggering different samples of an instrument with the use of different velocities. Battery however should work fine in madtracker. I´ve tried edirols superquartet in madtracker, and it uses also velocity-controlled instruments. A different velocity/volume does´n only change the instrument´s volume, but triggers also a different sample. Nice for realistic drumkits .

Yannick
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Joined: 16 Apr 2003
Location: Belgium

Posted: Mon Jan 24 2005 23:23
Simply use the volume column (or the volume commands). Yannick

XnmE
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Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Warsaw, Poland

Posted: Tue Jan 25 2005 17:05
i mean Battery inside MadTracker... it works fine but it seems to use only one layer (loudest) Yannick: as you know a different velocity doesnt only change the instrument´s volume, but triggers also a different sample i dont want to control volume, but velocity, i want to use different layer.
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Yannick
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Location: Belgium

Posted: Tue Jan 25 2005 17:23
The volume column in the patterns will be translated in a velocity change for VST instruments. Yannick

XnmE
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Location: Warsaw, Poland

Posted: Tue Jan 25 2005 18:03
that's nice will be? not now yet? it seems like just volume is changed. maybe i should try harder... maybe im doing something wrong. you mean volume column? seems like CXX or 0CXXYY commands doesnt work with VST.
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aRGee
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Joined: 24 May 2003
Location: Holland

Posted: Tue Jan 25 2005 19:24

XnmE wrote:

that's nice Very Happy

will be? not now yet?

it seems like just volume is changed.
maybe i should try harder... maybe im doing something wrong.

you mean volume column? seems like CXX or 0CXXYY commands doesnt work with VST.

Make sure you´re using a battery-kit that supports velocity triggered layers. You have to load multiple samples of an instrument played at different velocities.

At kvr-vst.com ther is a very nice acoustic sounding drumkit called:
Opti Yamaha YD OKM , you should try it (You have to register first though.)

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XnmE
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Location: Warsaw, Poland

Posted: Tue Jan 25 2005 19:34

aRGee wrote:

Make sure you´re using a battery-kit that supports velocity triggered layers. You have to load multiple samples of an instrument played at different velocities.

yes, its a Drumkit From Hell

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aRGee
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Joined: 24 May 2003
Location: Holland

Posted: Tue Jan 25 2005 19:52
At kvr-vst.com ther is a very nice acoustic sounding drumkit called: Opti Yamaha YD OKM , you should try it. http://argee.madtracker.net/battery_Optimist-Yamaha-YD.rar Here´s a link, so you don´t have to register. Also read the text-file included with it, the author of this drumkit wasn´t satisfied with drumkit from hell, so he sampled his own . (By the way, for non-battery-users: The drumkit contains a lot of *.wav files which you can use in madtracker as well.)

XnmE
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Location: Warsaw, Poland

Posted: Tue Jan 25 2005 20:11
thanx, downloading
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D Vibe
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Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Sweden

Posted: Tue Jan 25 2005 21:55
You can't change "volume" on a specifik note when speaking of midi, just velocity, so there's only one midi message to send, when speaking aboute "volume" and that's velocity . So there must be some other bug.
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aRGee
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Joined: 24 May 2003
Location: Holland

Posted: Wed Jan 26 2005 22:05

c-frog wrote:

You can't change "volume" on a specifik note when speaking of midi, just velocity, so there's only one midi message to send, when speaking aboute "volume" and that's velocity Smile

. So there must be some other bug.

I don´t really understand what´s the problem. I always thought that the volume (in the volumecolumn) of a note stands for the velocity of that note in midi-terms.
I´ve tried battery again yesterday and it responded like it should on different volumes(or velocities).

D Vibe
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Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Sweden

Posted: Wed Jan 26 2005 22:15

aRGee wrote:

c-frog wrote:

You can't change "volume" on a specifik note when speaking of midi, just velocity, so there's only one midi message to send, when speaking aboute "volume" and that's velocity Smile

. So there must be some other bug.

Me neither, but I've not tried Battery Wink

... Velocity is not necessary the same thing as volume btw. Sometimes the Cutoff changes when changing velocity. For example som patches I have on my BassStation Rack (hardware)..

/Daniel

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QBical
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Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Utrecht , The Netherlands

Posted: Wed Jan 26 2005 22:23
Yeah but that only happens when you program your bass-station to modulate the cut-off on velocity changes... I use it all the time! So it does work... But xnme, it's the volume column, not the effect columns... I read your post earlier and you were talking about Cxx fastracker fx's but those don't work you need to enter info in the volume column to be translated to velocity info for the vst... hth! Ray
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Inge
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Location: Nieuw Lekkerland @ Holland

Posted: Wed Jan 26 2005 22:27
So we need 13 posts to come to the conclusion that Velocity is just a lame hardwarename for volume? Imagine how long it will take us to figure out what the equivalent of midi CC codes in software is! Inge (fearing the future. as always.)
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