Ravana
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 Posted: Sun Feb 05 2006 10:31
Strange volume levels when routing... |
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Don't really know if this is a bug, but it seems like one to me.
I have a kick in track 1.
I have a snare in track 3.
The snare has a high-pass filter set at 666.
Track 1 is mixed with track 3.
When played, the volume of the kick is normal on the first note, but after it dramatically increases.
If I mix track 1 with master, everything is normal.
If I disable the filter on snare, everything is normal.
Setting higher cutoff on snare filter reduces the volume rise of the kick drum.
So: The filter of the instrument playing on the track with which another track is mixed affects the volume of the track mixed with it.
Uhm... That's it. Sorry, don't know how to better explain it. And in case you're wondering WHY would I want to mix track 1 with track 3: I have a delay on track 3 (but that doesn't seem to have any effect). |
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QBical
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Location: Utrecht , The Netherlands
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Posted: Sun Feb 05 2006 22:50
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The filter on track 3 also filters the linked tracks to it ( in your case the kick sound ) so, all the low frequency's are filtered off that's why it sounds strange...
This 'bug' can be used to create some great effects btw.
The solution is to take another track and link the kick and the snare track to that track, in that case only the snare sound gets filtered. |
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Ravana
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Sunbuster
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Posted: Mon Feb 06 2006 13:41
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Could you post a link to the track in question so that we could see if the same thing happens on our setups? Might be easier to find a solution if we can fiddle around with the track also. |
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Sunbuster
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Posted: Mon Feb 06 2006 16:35
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Ok got the file (after some tedious waiting and searching for the actual download link  ). I'm able to reproduce this exactly and it looks like a bug to me, too. I had the kick and snare switch places, but the same thing happens. I disabled all other effects going on except for the instrument filters, but still the same thing. I removed the filter from the first instrument in the chain (the snare) and still the same. It seems as if the sound of the first instrument in the chain (the snare) goes through the instrument filter of the second instrument (the kick) also and then gets added to the original sound(?). It also seems as if this only happens when there are notes playing in both tracks at the same time.
You can hear this easily if you switch places for the two instruments (so that the snare becomes the first in the chain) and then activate the instrument high-pass filter for the kick and set it to the following: Cutoff=11000, Reso=96, Attack=0, Decay=0. Then turn down the instrument volume of the kick completely. Deactivate the instrument filter for the snare and mute all other playing instruments. Also deactivate any track effects playing. Everytime the snare and the kick tracks play a note at the same time the snare will sound as if it's passing through a cutoff filter, even though the snare track has no active filters/fx, the kick track has no active filters/fx and the snare instrument has no active filter. Sounds like a bug to me. |
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Ravana
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QBical
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Posted: Mon Feb 06 2006 18:00
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yeah I forgot to make that point clear, the instrument filter affects the routed tracks, that's what I meant with my reply |
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Ravana
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Posted: Mon Feb 06 2006 18:30
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yeah I forgot to make that point clear, the instrument filter affects the routed tracks, that's what I meant with my reply
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Oh... So it's not a bug, but a feature? Still, shouldn't the volume of the routed track stay unaffected?
Actually I don't quite buy that, since in the construct Sunbuster made the snare was only affected when there was also a kick note playing in the track the snare track was mixed with. |
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http://www.mikseri.net/artists/bewaretheconstruct.62202.php
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QBical
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Posted: Mon Feb 06 2006 23:12
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yeah but still your things get filtered, so I might be on to something
Anyway I always used this bug to get some nice wierd unexpected filter effects.
try routing both tracks to an empty track as I said before, that should solve it... |
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