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goose
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@ chicago Lollie
By specialist tracker, I meant concentrating on developing the actual tracking aspect of the tracker: the commands, the columns, the cut and paste and copy, the short cuts, the scrolling, the auto-interpolation the instruments, sample looping etc etc. it seems that the non-tracking aspects have developed more than the core tracking stuff over the later years. I like the improvements, but feel the tracking has been neglected. I can get all the other stuff (better too) in many other progs. but MT was always the best for pure tracking for years. maybe renoise is now leaving it in the dust with its multi columns and render block to wav etc.
The trouble is, until we see the latest MT3 feature list, this is all guess work anyway, but I would love to see MT2 get some improvements to help me manipulate the commands better. 
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Silas Rye
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Posted: Thu Mar 13 2008 14:28
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but have a lot of songs in Madtracker that still need finished.
I also really prefer to use Madtracker for making beats.
Unfortunately, as i Upgraded my system, I can't get MT2 to run with out crackling in my Vista running setup.
I think a great and benevolent thing to do, is that if Madtracker development really has stopped, maybe it could become open source. Not saying I'd pick up the torch, but someone might.
I used Madtracker for 10 years, I don't have the chops ive got in MT2 in any other program.  |
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Martin
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Posted: Thu Mar 13 2008 15:09
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Yannick has begun working on releasing MT as open source... |
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Silas Rye
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Posted: Thu Mar 13 2008 15:19
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Thats great news!
Do you know what language MT is written in? |
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goose
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CHICAGO¤lollie
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Posted: Thu Mar 13 2008 23:08
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@ chicago Lollie
By specialist tracker, I meant concentrating on developing the actual tracking aspect of the tracker: the commands, the columns, the cut and paste and copy, the short cuts, the scrolling, the auto-interpolation the instruments, sample looping etc etc. [...]
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Ah! Apologies then, I misinterpreted what you meant by 'specialist' tracker. Totally agree too. :} |
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binärpilot
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Posted: Sat Mar 22 2008 21:51
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This is a non-issue for me, at least when the program works more than well enough for what I use it for. When it comes to making music you have to find whatever approach works best for you.
Regardless of how the development/community is progressing (or not), Madtracker is still a very good program on it's own. I'm not saying it's the best, I'm not saying there aren't better alternatives out there for you, but to stop using it because there isn't coming updates and/or people are not active on forums seems rash.
Hell, Madtracker.org could disappear, Yannick spontaneously combust, and I'd still be using it. |
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Amok
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Posted: Sat Mar 22 2008 23:52
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This is a non-issue for me, at least when the program works more than well enough for what I use it for. When it comes to making music you have to find whatever approach works best for you.
Regardless of how the development/community is progressing (or not), Madtracker is still a very good program on it's own. I'm not saying it's the best, I'm not saying there aren't better alternatives out there for you, but to stop using it because there isn't coming updates and/or people are not active on forums seems rash.
Hell, Madtracker.org could disappear, Yannick spontaneously combust, and I'd still be using it.
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I agree completely. MadTracker is just fine for me. Its easy to handle and thats the most important point for beginners like me. Just the community could be more active. But i dont give a dam. There are other forums where you can get loads of feedback. |
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MM
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Posted: Tue Mar 25 2008 11:53
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at the moment I'm actually thinking of changing to MilkyTracker. but only for my XM module projects and songs. for my next release I did 2 songs in the FT mode of MT and why shouldn't I use native for such songs. of course when it comes to vst-synth -effects MT is still my weapon of choice. but maybe in a year or two I will only do modules without any vst. people always say my music was too unchippy for beeing chiptunes. I don't agree cuz it isn't chipmusic at all. but I found my love for this pure chipsound.
just to give you an example:
www.floppyswop.co.uk recently released my album "The Pixelpop Sessions Vol. 1" a 18 track colletion of XM mods. I had no idea that this project would infect me that much with this pure sound. but it did. |
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s-n-s
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Posted: Tue Apr 29 2008 18:33
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i think yannick will have a hard time finding people that would work on madtracker 3,so if any users of madtracker can program,or knows someone then maybe you could offer yannick your help??
but im using renoise now
would be a shame to see madtracker die |
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vfgdfg
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Location: Finland
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Posted: Sun May 04 2008 00:32
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Hey guys.
Just came to see status of MT3 and oh well, looks bad.
So yea I admit I haven't been much around for what 2 or 3 years (damn time flies), but it's not the program, or the community at all, I guess other things took over in my life and I just lost all my inspiration. Also I guess I got tired of doing instrumental. But hopefully one day I can just pick it up again.
I once offered Yannick help in developing MT3, but he didn't see it feasible back then. I don't have a lot of experience in audio programming though, but at the time I was thinking more of the GUI side of things. I actually had started developing my own tracker back then, but it was going to be such a huge project and since MT was already there, just missing some of those ideas that I had to make things easier (some of tose I did write in the forum and did end up in MT2), but. Oh well. I guess the biggest problem for me in MT2 is the lack of realtime recording, because I use(d) real guitars in my music. So the goal in my project was basicly to combine tracking and multitrack recording like N-Studio. But yea, the project died pretty quickly, but it did actually work and you could do a little song with it. It also had some neat features like icons for the instruments, so you could immediately see that that hit/note in the pattern is a snare drum and so forth, although ultimately I think the best way really is to have a dedicated track for each instrument.
Anyway, nowadays, I don't know.. I feel I have so little time as it is. And I do already have a huge project slowly ongoing that I refuse to let die, although it has slowed down for quite a bit for now. But I have to think about this. I didn't find the source code on sourceforge, but I guess I could try asking it from Yannick and see if I can find my way around it, and if I could work something with it. Afaik MT3 is C++, and I think MFC. I haven't used MFC really much at all, but I've done quite a bit of D3D/game programming so I can handle the language and thing or two, although I may use some weird VB rooted approaches on things and leak some memory here and there 
I've programmed for my dayjob for several years, mostly Java and little VB these days. Anyway, I'll think about it. It would be sad if MT really would die.
I think though nowadays with all the drag'n'drop style sequencing programs around, tracking maybe just too hard and slow for any new comers to start, I would assume that most people that use trackers are really old schoold trackers that used Protracker, FT2 or IT or the sorts, although ofcourse newbies probably do come every now and then but anyway.
Ok I rest my case for now. |
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-M-o-V-A-J-
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Posted: Tue May 06 2008 23:26
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Well... there too many things we can talk about it, but in short words, yes, mad comunity has been dying for long time...
I love MadTracker. I always have composed music with trackers (DigiTracker, FastTracker, etc), but MadTracker si the BIG tracker software to create sounds, beats & any kind of music.
I think MadTracker is the path between the "old trackers" (or "classical Trackers") and the "new software generation" in music producing & composing, like Sonar, Fl Studio or similar.
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By myself, I offered Yannick help on developing MadTracker on spanish (software, tutorials, community... anything). Appart from that, on my web I promote MadTracker as a perfect and easy software to create music, and I have created manuals to work with madtracker & Flstudio at same time (like VST plugin), and other similar things...
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I don't think that "nowadays with all the drag'n'drop style sequencing programs around, tracking maybe just too hard and slow for any new comers to start"...I think that doing first steps with "sequencing" software or "tracker" software like Madtracker is really the same.
Trackers like FastTracker 2, with "old grafic tracker style"... maybe yes, is more hard and dificult, but MadTracker is easy to understand, easy to work with it, and have a clarity panel configuration to play with it.
Appart from that, i think, one of the most BIG things of that tracker, is using VST plugins (which no other tracker software can do it).
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Maybe in last two years mad community have been dreaming... maybe now is the time to stand up and make some "noisy"... is it? |
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SX001
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Posted: Fri May 16 2008 18:32
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The entire wishlist... if to complete it then it could be like being in heaven perhaps. But to our growing up bigger needs it really requires updates and bugfixes. Of course, undo/redo/retake, and I would also mention note quantizing (also between the patterns when recording as a song and not as a pattern), why not also pitchbender events recording and all-noteoff event sending with each stop command to all midi ports are for me very important as I find myself keeping very handy the MOTU Midiexpress XT unit panic button (when hitting space on keyboard I need also to hit panic button on MOTU) as I use hardware synths with it.
I have used trackers almost since-always and now I am using tracker software with hardware synthesizers and little as a drum machine and VSTs. Of course I have got comments that "get a real life -- sequencers man", but I am very tracker fanatic still, but still I need also it on WIN98SE supported.
MT is simpler and compact more as piano roll based programs.
MT is keyboard based and this way it is very fast to edit notes actually for me. Also I havent had nomore sloppylatency issues as my fellows who use hardware synths with Cubase and Windows XP. And there are less limitations in MT compared to pianoroll based programs, but only... arrangement window I feel is missing... 
And very special... it works even with WIN98SE ! Thats the reason I am using it. (the hatch is that even if XP may use additional new features of computer its GUI is slower than WIN98SE whatever machine you have. I am using WIN98SE with Ultra160 SCSI disks 1 GB RAM and 3.4GHz CPU and fine with it) Perhaps the another option would have been to me only that to still continue using FT2 and re-mapping instruments to MIDI out port channels.
Now I only feel the quantize function missing in order to produce fast.
For mastering I found the way out that I will record all the tracks using another computer with Adobe Audiotion or cooledit and mix together and master it with some chain.
I find that this program can be used for commercial music production but perhaps somehow I must combine it now with another program becouse the need for arrangement window.
But if in future I may have live concert ... then I guess that NO WAY if the programs are running with windows OS. Of course for "windows xp is fine for everyone" but I have still troubles with every windows system and windows program.
Perhaps solid and crash proof sequencer would be FT under the DOS for my hardware synths ...Umm... but no multiple outputs on digital audio, only 1 MIDI out (16 midi channels) and 32 channels, but still.. its tracker!
If it will be dead and I will find that it is again limiting me then well, perhaps I must go to FT2 again.
It may seem very big whining but what I see is perhaps that in future even if programs will have more functions then OS which runs it is having much slower reaction speed to user commands. Well, You notice that vista is slow, but I have noticed that even XP is slow, and also WIN98SE is slower than WIN95 and ..do you remember how fast GUI speed to user reaction was with win3.x even if it is very old? Intact GUI reaction, with even 100Mhz CPU !.. but lets face it... its not designed for users, its designed becouse of "greedy need" .. money! Madtracker was made with different goals...). And I dont like at all this situation that OS user interfaces will get very slow... so, I continue also using old OS becouse... Being "modern" is not at all always practical! |
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mikx
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Posted: Thu May 29 2008 11:50
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i think it has to do with how you write music, that MT is dying or not. i mean, if you implement many viritual (and real) synths and have to twiddle and customize many knobs and settings then probably MT is not the tool for you, but for sample based production (and manipulating the samples with VST fx) it is nothing far from perfect!
that is what trackers were made for, and that is why MT is by far the best tracker out there today, with easily applicable VST effects and friendly interface.
if you are looking for community support then unfortunately MT is not what it used to be, admittedly i don't log on here very often myself.
but at the end of it, you need to ask yourself - how do you produce your music, and what do you need your software to do?
if you use high quality samples then it's easy to get MT to sound professional so you can send to labels. i think MT is great to produce beats and the base of your tracks, and then if you really need to just export each track onto a different software and continue from there.
as chicago lollie said, it might be also that we have got used to MT, but i have to say for what i do, it is the only software i use for the base of all my music, and in most part for completing the whole song. so it's almost 10 years down the track, and still going strong.
as for the community, well i think it's safe to say that it used to be large but has changed since people moved on from producing in MT or stopped working on music completely. that is life! if MT got some more exposure to a wider audience (maybe after a new release comes out, like mt3? ) it would boost the numbers in the forums too. |
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goose
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Posted: Fri May 30 2008 13:56
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i think it has to do with how you write music, that MT is dying or not. i mean, if you implement many viritual (and real) synths and have to twiddle and customize many knobs and settings then probably MT is not the tool for you, but for sample based production (and manipulating the samples with VST fx) it is nothing far from perfect!
that is what trackers were made for, and that is why MT is by far the best tracker out there today, with easily applicable VST effects and friendly interface.
if you are looking for community support then unfortunately MT is not what it used to be, admittedly i don't log on here very often myself.
but at the end of it, you need to ask yourself - how do you produce your music, and what do you need your software to do?
if you use high quality samples then it's easy to get MT to sound professional so you can send to labels. i think MT is great to produce beats and the base of your tracks, and then if you really need to just export each track onto a different software and continue from there.
as chicago lollie said, it might be also that we have got used to MT, but i have to say for what i do, it is the only software i use for the base of all my music, and in most part for completing the whole song. so it's almost 10 years down the track, and still going strong.
as for the community, well i think it's safe to say that it used to be large but has changed since people moved on from producing in MT or stopped working on music completely. that is life! if MT got some more exposure to a wider audience (maybe after a new release comes out, like mt3? ) it would boost the numbers in the forums too.
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