Enonimis
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Any help is appreciated.... |
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I didn't post this in Help & Support because it isn't an MT2 issue.
For the past several months, my sweet ATA133 harddrive has been operating at a pokey ATA33 or even worse PIO mode. No matter what I do, Including reinstalling Windows XP pro has no effect on this issue. I haven't been able to do music for many months now due to this issue. Any clues or hints on how to get my damn harddrive running ATA133 like it should would be nice. Goddamn....
cheers,
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Sunbuster
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Posted: Mon Dec 15 2003 21:06
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I assume you've checked that your BIOS hasn't locked the drive in some UDMA1 mode or something? Have you tried with moving the HDD to another IDE channel? Do you use Cable select on the HDD or have you assigned the HDD manually to primary or master? |
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Enonimis
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Posted: Mon Dec 15 2003 21:23
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Hmm.... okay here we go...
- my bios does not report the hard drive or cd rom at all because I use an ATA133 PCI card
- my hard drive is "cable select" on channel 0 on the ATA133 card.
- my cd rom is "cable select" on channel 1 on the ATA133 card.
- Come to think of it, my CD rom acts funny but works fine most of the time
- I have no other drives.
- I use an ATA133 card because my motherboard supports up to ATA100 and my hard drive is ATA133. The card is backwards compatible with all older ATA drives, such as the cd rom.
Does that about cover it? |
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Yannick
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Posted: Mon Dec 15 2003 21:35
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The only tip I can give is this:
- Open the windows device manager
- Select the "view by connection" (dunno the exact English terms)
- Find your HDD and check the parameters of the parent IDE controller
- In the "Advanced" tab, you should find something that allows you to select "DMA if available" instead of "PIO"
That might help.
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Blaster
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Posted: Mon Dec 15 2003 21:39
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Also you might want to put the cdrom drive on your motherboard's ata100. It doesn't hurt to have it on a seperate controller and it won't be any slower on that anyway. |
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Enonimis
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Posted: Mon Dec 15 2003 21:40
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| Yannick wrote: |
The only tip I can give is this:
- Open the windows device manager
- Select the "view by connection" (dunno the exact English terms)
- Find your HDD and check the parameters of the parent IDE controller
- In the "Advanced" tab, you should find something that allows you to select "DMA if available" instead of "PIO"
That might help.
Yannick
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I've been through that. Somewtimes DMA is not selectable, other times it is. It seems to make no difference eitherway... |
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Enonimis
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Posted: Mon Dec 15 2003 21:40
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Also you might want to put the cdrom drive on your motherboard's ata100. It doesn't hurt to have it on a seperate controller and it won't be any slower on that anyway.
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Doesn't affect anything, unfortunately.... |
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Sunbuster
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Posted: Mon Dec 15 2003 21:53
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hmm, okay, then what I'd suggest is to first try with changing from cable select to manually setting primary and slave. Try putting the HDD to master on the first channel, and the CD-ROM to master also on the second channel. If I remember correctly XP in particular has trouble with the cable select function so...
If that doesn't help, then I'd try with disconnecting the CD-ROM completely.
if that doesn't help then try with removing all other PCI devices, only leaving the ATA133 card and the bare essentials. If it works now then one by one add the other PCI cards until it stops working again. The last card you added is the part of the problem. Check if this card is sharing it's PCI bus with the ATA133 card. If yes, then move the ATA133 card to a dedicated PCI bus (the manual should tell which PCI slots share buses with other devices).
If that doesn't help either then I'd try with connecting the HDD to the primary IDE channel on the motherboard, to see if you at least get ATA100 this way. If yes, then you've at least narrowed the problem down to having something to do with the ATA133 card.
Also try with updating your BIOS if you haven't done that already.
btw. You are using an 80-pin IDE cable for ATA100/133 use, right? if you're using old 40-pin IDE cables, then I'm 95% sure those are the problem. |
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Enonimis
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Posted: Mon Dec 15 2003 21:56
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I am using an 80 pin cable. I will try setting the drives manually to master. I had no idea windows xp had an issue with this. I bet that's the problem right there. I'll let ya know how things work out. And thanks in advance.
cheers,
~Enon |
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Inge
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Posted: Mon Dec 15 2003 21:56
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1: the difference between ATA133 and ATA100 is almost insignificant. If everything fails, simply attach the hdd to your mobo. Only the burst speed at extreme levels (which you are likely never to achieve) will be a bit higher.
2: do jumper your hdd as master and your cd-rom as slave.
3: attach your cd-rom to your mobo, and leave the hdd as the only device on your controller. IDE controllers are in most cases not meant to host ATAPI devices.
4: get the latest drivers from the producer of the card.
5: try using native Windows IDE drivers for the card instead of the ones from the producer itself. For instance, older Nforce drivers are worse than native win2k or winxp drivers (odd but true).
6: check the integrity of your hdd via the maxblast tool (as far as I know, Maxtor is the only ata133 hdd producing company).
Gotta go now. Special about Gerard van het Reve. Nevermind.
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Blaster
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Posted: Mon Dec 15 2003 22:03
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Special about Gerard van het Reve. Nevermind.
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Who's that? I mean I know the writer 'Gerard Reve' 
edit by Inge to prevent off-topic behaviour: Gerard Reve, Simon Reve & Gerard van het Reve are all one and the same. Furthermore the documentary itself was moved to another day due to recent happenings concerning Sadam. |
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Sunbuster
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Posted: Mon Dec 15 2003 22:12
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Samsung of all producers also produces ATA133 drives, but like Inge said, the difference between ATA100 and ATA133 is minimal. |
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Enonimis
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Posted: Tue Dec 16 2003 21:49
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Well I did the jumper thing yesterday, and now it says it's in UDMA mode 6 (ATA133 mode) but performance is the same. Maybe now I'm imagining things? Here's a tidbit of info: Using FreshDiagnose to benchmark my hard drive, I get these results - 2.25 Mb/s write, 486 Mb/s read
Does this seem slow to you? Or am I just drunk?
~Enon |
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Inge
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Posted: Tue Dec 16 2003 22:05
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Try this in order to clear if the flaw is made by your hdd or your pci controller. The speeds you give are way too low.
-connect your harddrive to the ide connector on your motherboard, make sure it's jumpered as master, and connect no other devices to this specific ide cable
-install the latest chipsetdrivers of your motherboard (which you can find on the homepage of the producer of it) to make sure that you use the latest drivers for the integrated ide controller.
-check the speed now.
Let me know what the results are. Enon is our new cable guy. Yay! |
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Enonimis
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Posted: Wed Dec 17 2003 01:22
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These are things I have already done....
I heard somewhere that there's an issue with Xp reducing the speed of IDE hard drives for some reason or other. I'd love to find a registry fix if one exists.
Damn this sucks.
~Enon |
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