Solid Reptile
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Location: Rotterdam, The Netherlands
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 Posted: Sat May 29 2004 00:44
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I actually never thought about this
why can you only load .wav's and other extions..
but no mp3's? they're a lot smaller i guess than .wav files  |
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BeatMax
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Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Germany
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Posted: Sat May 29 2004 02:36
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Hi Solid!
There is a vst plugin that supports the loading of mp3 files (you can find it on my vst-list). If you want to integrate mp3 support into a tracker you need a routine that decompresses the data quite fast. I dont know if this is possible or useful in a tracker since it needs a lot of cpu processing. Besides that you have a lossy quality so if you want to load samples you wont have the highest quality. Speaking of me I always try to get the best quality samples. I agree with you that mp3 is smaller but you pay the price in quality loss. So I`d use the WAV format instead. I recently made a track consisting only of vstė`s and it was compressed (.zip) 9k 
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mikx
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Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Melbourne
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Posted: Sat May 29 2004 07:57
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yeah but there is the issue of somebody having mp3 samples downloaded from internet- they'd have to convert to wav anyway and the wavs would have the lower quality anyway. i think the main reason for not loading mp3s into madtracker is the decompression stage that wastes a bit of valuable CPU.
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Yannick
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Joined: 16 Apr 2003
Location: Belgium
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Posted: Sat May 29 2004 09:43
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The main reason is that - if I want to stay legal - I would have to increase drastically the price of MT2 to cover the cost of a MP3-decoder license (which is very expensive).
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Blaster
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Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Netherlands/Germany
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Posted: Sat May 29 2004 10:14
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Not necessarily (spelling?).. Renoise makes use of the mpglib.dll to enable mp3 files. I'm not sure what this does (license wise) and then there's also lame.
I have noticed however that the mp3 files take longer to load (especially loops or acapella's).
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Ogg vorbis support is better AND free.. problem is most files are still mp3 format 
Or a lossless compression format. Flac comes to mind since it's open source. But I'm not sure about the compression rates you can achieve with that. |
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Solid Reptile
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Posted: Sat May 29 2004 19:38
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@ Beatmax:
Hmm that vst sounds cool 
and what about my samples: most of them are saved from .xm files. so the quality isn't that good after all. and also thnx 4 the vst in your list
@ Yannick: wow i never knew that haha ( forget about this topic anyway  ) |
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Triple_X
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Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Sat Jun 04 2005 19:31
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What's this plugin name? and where can i download it? I donwloaded packs of samples & loops, and they are all in .mp3 format, an i need to open them... tks |
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Inge
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Triple_X
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Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Sat Jun 04 2005 22:26
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i downloaded it, but that dosen't seem to be what i'm looking for, i don't know. I have the option to open loops and samples in .wav for example, i just want to add the .mp3 support, if that is possible... |
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LogicDeLuxe
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Location: Germany
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Posted: Sun Jun 05 2005 17:11
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Right. OGG and FLAC support would be great. OGG can be decoded to 24 bit quality and FLAC supports 24 bit resolution as well.
Especially since you shouldn't do noise shaping the samples, but the mastered mix only, this absolutely would make sense, as it would reduce quantisation noise by 48 dB. |
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aRGee
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Location: Holland
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Posted: Sun Jun 05 2005 18:38
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To me it isnīt really a neccesary feature, to load mp3īs as samples, cause I always convert and edit samples in an external wave-editor.
It also sounds pretty cpu-consuming, decoding al this mp3-files at the same time in real time.
A better feature would be an mp3-importer, so you can open an mp3 and it gets converted into wav/mts-format (or whatever format madtracker is using at the moment).
This way you will loose the benefit of a smaller file-size, but itīs still possible to load an mp3 file, without the use of an external convertor. |
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Inge
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Posted: Sun Jun 05 2005 19:47
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| aRGee wrote: |
A better feature would be an mp3-importer, so you can open an mp3 and it gets converted into wav/mts-format (or whatever format madtracker is using at the moment).
This way you will loose the benefit of a smaller file-size, but itīs still possible to load an mp3 file, without the use of an external convertor.
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Funny request. I namely wonder what the legal issues of that are. Converting an existing mp3 to wave does not use the mp3-codec, but only a sound-to-wave writer. Yannick: would this feature be free? In that case it would be pretty neat, actually.
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Yannick
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Joined: 16 Apr 2003
Location: Belgium
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Posted: Sun Jun 05 2005 20:59
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Such a support would require pre-decoding anyway. Decoding on the fly always the same thing would be too expensive and redundant.
And it'd require a licence, even if it's just import and even if it's done with a 3rd-party DLL/library/etc.
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D Vibe
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Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Sweden
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Posted: Mon Jun 06 2005 15:13
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Yes, because it is the MP3 format in it self that is licensed, isn't it? |
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Yannick
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Location: Belgium
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Posted: Mon Jun 06 2005 15:35
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Some algorithms are patented. And they don't cover only the MP3 format.
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