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Walter Vos
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Posted: Mon Nov 29 2004 11:21
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LogicDeLuxe
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Posted: Mon Nov 29 2004 14:59

Here is my testsample (the sweep from 1 Hz - 32 kHz, duration 5 seconds), which I created with Audition: http://www.gratissaugen.de/files/testc4.zip
Just load it to a new instrument and play a c4 in a pattern! Then try the wave export with any settings you like to test!
Btw. you should give Adobe Audition a try! It's a very versatile software and it does most things very well.

Walter Vos wrote:

http://digido.com/portal/pmodule_id=11/pmdmode=fullscreen/pageadder_page_id=33

I know. It's a very good reading with valuable advise. I'm suprised I didn't mention it in my post above.

N0N
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Joined: 20 Oct 2003

Posted: Mon Nov 29 2004 15:14
Ah, ok now I understand the reflection thing thanks Logic DeLuxe. And I happend across that web site last night looking up mastering tips in google, very cool stuff. Just a question, Logic can I get you to listen to a track of mine, and tell me how I'm doing, if you could give tips it would be great or if its good enough for a cd press that would be good to know too. here is the song Ah, never mind, I got a good picture now, and what I got to do. This is a good topic, and that website should be in the madtracker help section too.

LogicDeLuxe
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Posted: Mon Nov 29 2004 21:58

N0N wrote:

Just a question, Logic can I get you to listen to a track of mine, and tell me how I'm doing, if you could give tips it would be great or if its good enough for a cd press that would be good to know too.
here is the song

Would you mind telling how it was mic'd and mixed exactly? This definately would make suggestions easier to make.

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Ah, never mind, I got a good picture now, and what I got to do.

So you noticed that your track is compressed to death by now, I guess. Your certainly better learn from your errors than making the same mistakes over and over again, like many record companies do. Wink

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This is a good topic, and that website should be in the madtracker help section too.

A good idea. I second this.

N0N
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Posted: Mon Nov 29 2004 23:31
Well, the only thing mic'd was my voice. All my equipment is hooked up to a soundcraft mixer that runs to my computer. I got a MXL 990 mic, one cheap ass Samick guitar, a Zoom 505 II guitar effects peddel, a Yamaha cs6x keyboard, and Sennheiser HD 580 Precision headphones. I use gold wave to record the sounds. I dont got much, but I think I'm doing pretty good for what I got. I used individual samples for the drums, and a vsti for the bass, all free. I think I can squeeze more quality out of my setup, and I'm going to get a guitar and new fx for it later next year. Its funny that my music "is" over compressed, before this I seen somewhere thats what todays music is so I did it while composing. Now I know it is and isn't a good thing.

Elijah
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Joined: 20 Jan 2004
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Eh?

Posted: Tue Nov 30 2004 05:30
yes... i never compress my music at all... dont know if thats good or bad. i just adjust my levels so i dont get the clip warning. but now i know i should try to stay well below that. .... now that i think about it that is one problem i ran into when i first started, if you mix at too high a level (just below the clip) then things start sounding really crowded. so i guess just take it easy on the level and work on the dynamix. peace. i need sleep. claymations take so bloody long.....................
- Elijah

Walter Vos
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Posted: Tue Nov 30 2004 12:09
The thing you should worry about is if your losing dynamics, a bit of compression is ok, just don't squash your mix. We're only talking about mastering now, but mastering is not the only process to make your music sound better. Some guidelines my teacher gave me: If you can fix it during recording, fix it there. If you can fix it in you mixdown, fix it there. If you still have something to do left, do it with mastering. Also, always compare the mastered and unmastered version. If the unmastered one sounds better, screw mastering! Treating sound is like using pepper and salt in cooking, don't use too much, don't use too little.
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N0N
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Joined: 20 Oct 2003

Posted: Tue Nov 30 2004 15:20
This is also something that confused me, volume. So just below cliping isnt good? aaah, I see just as long as its somewhat above the green (the whole green, yellow, red volume monitoring thing) depending on the style and flow, good to know. Now I'm wishing madtracker had realtime automated faders that would fallow song possition rather then the patterns.

LogicDeLuxe
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Posted: Tue Nov 30 2004 15:57

Elijah wrote:

yes... i never compress my music at all...

dont know if thats good or bad.

If it sounds well, just leave it as it is. If some instruments pop out of the mix, and it can't be corrected with leveling, it might be a good idea to gently compress those particular instrument. It's definately better then compressing the whole mix.

N0N wrote:

I used individual samples for the drums

Those seem to suffer a bit from the mic setup. And could be helped nevertheless. I would do a bit EQ'ing with the base drum: a bit more bass, and less trebles. The hats/cymbals could be helped with an expander, as the notes just last too long, which almost sound like constant noise, maybe you also could try to just mix them a bit softer. The snares seem to be a bit distorted, maybe you could get a better one.
The guitars aren't that wrong, I'd say. Distorted guitars don't live from dynamics anyway. If you're not happy with them, you could try some corus effects, just don't overdo it.

N0N wrote:

Now I'm wishing madtracker had realtime automated faders that would fallow song possition rather then the patterns.

If you want those up and downs, why not just ignore the level meters? Just make sure there are no clips. You always can turn up the gain in the mastering software. You'll get 24 bit, hence saying your peak is merely at -12 dB for example you still have 22 bit used for audioquality, and the best dither algorithm couldn't make use of that when downconverting that to 16 bit, so what the heck?

And btw. the MadTracker Chainsong is a great example for dynamic jumps. I greatly like the peak in the transition from postion 47 to 48 for example, which are those things you just don't find on recent cd productions because there is simply no headroom for that when the overall volume is 6 dB hotter. (Try to boost that part about 6 dB with a hard limiter, it sounds awfull!)

N0N
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Posted: Wed Dec 01 2004 03:59
Wow, that was more then I was expecting, in a good way. I think I can fix these areas, so this is great. I'm going to try this in the my newest mix see how it works. So when do we start the offical Mistering thread? And thanks Logic.

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