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N0N
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Joined: 20 Oct 2003

Posted: Thu Dec 02 2004 21:54 EchoControl by n0n
Greatings all, I got a new song for ya, its pretty long at almost 10 min. But I think its some thing you should check out, I think it paints pretty cool pictures, I blend some kind of rock trance with some kind of alternative rock and try to weave the 2 together so its just experimental for now. No compression on this tune so its not ungodly loud sorry about the other songs, I might fix them I might not dont know yet. But anyways, here you go. EchoControl [EDIT]: song is fixed and finnished [EDIT]: song is fixed and hopefully done , again [EDIT]: 3rd times the charm
Last edited by N0N on Sun Dec 05 2004 03:47; edited 3 times in total

Elijah
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Joined: 20 Jan 2004
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Eh?

Posted: Fri Dec 03 2004 04:50
... this is one interesting track... its a very interesting blend of everything. thats one thing i can always say about your music is that its original but to be honest i like this one. its very atmospheric and it takes a lot of great elements from the genres you mention and throws them together in a can. interesting... i have to listen again.
- Elijah

N0N
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Posted: Fri Dec 03 2004 16:22
Awsome, thanks Elijah . But I tihnk you should check it out now. I changed several things I had problems with. I extended some parts to let the sounds really mix together and fixed several other minor things. Most notably thou I changed the gate sequance, I think it fallows the arp more, but it might also change the genre, So nothings really changed in that aspect, I dont know. Or is the other way better?

Sunbuster
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Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Finland

Posted: Sat Dec 04 2004 10:51
From the technical side: The chopped strings you start the song with sound a bit dry in my ears, perhaps a bit more reverb would be good. The kick has a good punch when you listen to the track through good speakers, but in the cheap plastic boxes I first started listening through it was almost non-existent. Not quite sure what to do about that though... I would have liked more bass overall. The snare is also somehow a bit weak, needs more punch, especially when combined with the kick. Vocals sound cool though, have that nice rough edge to them. Also, even though the song is a bit chaotic with a lot of different elements, I'm able to find a red line throughout it, which is good. Still, sorry but this track is not quite my cup of tea at this moment. Still an interesting listen though

LogicDeLuxe
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Joined: 03 Aug 2004
Location: Germany

Posted: Sat Dec 04 2004 13:59
The base drum is fine, I'd say, I wouldn't change that. However, since lots of the melodic bass is very low frequency with little overtones, you really need good speakers to reproduce them. Definately no song for cheap desktop speakers. If you really wish to make the base line more suitable for cheaper speakers, you should add some bass harmonics to the base line with an enhancer/exciter somewere around 30-150 Hz. You also could try a saturated tube simulation on that track. I agree on a bit reverb, just a slight subtle one over the entire mix. I think, the snares are supposed to sound unusual with that strong phasing effect. Though you still might try a better sample for it. And yes, I also find the song unusual and very interessting. I had to listen to it a few times to get used to it. Then it's pretty catchy.

N0N
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Posted: Sat Dec 04 2004 22:28
Sweet, thanks for the feedback Sunbuster, LogicDeLuxe, Elijah. I've up'd the bass and it even exposed more elements I put in and you couldn't even hear. I had to learn how to swap track outputs for the reverb thou (great thing to know btw) as I wrote the whole song on 15 tracks. As for the snare, I dont know what to do, I've tried all the ones I got and none really sounded right, downloaded like 20 from the net and they didn't work eather, so if you got one that you think would fit I would apresiate it. Getting better I hope

Sunbuster
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Posted: Sun Dec 05 2004 00:40
have you tried using two snare samples at the same time? I've several times got my snares right by duplicating the snare pattern and then using different samples on each channel. Then you just play around with the EQ and the volume to try and find a combo that works.

N0N
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Posted: Sun Dec 05 2004 03:45
Great idea Sunbuster, I didnt even think about doing that. Now Echo Control should be done. Thanks again Sunbuster Still I did more minor changes, and got the drums to sound more like they were played by someone, in the ending rock sections anyways. Great feedback thanks.

Walter Vos
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Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Groningen, The Netherlands

Posted: Sun Dec 05 2004 04:59
Yes, doubling drums (kick and/or snare) can really be nice, for instance take a low kick, and a punchy kick, and voila: a low AND punchy kick This technique is used in hiphop a lot.
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N0N
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Posted: Sun Dec 05 2004 18:04
yes, I can see why now, its alot more dynamic in range. A good technque for sure. Just wish there were a way to trigger multipule samples with the same instrument, It would really put good use the the 4 polyphony to each track. Actually that would be way cool, it would be just like haveing a sample based synthises, with the panning and evolopes and all that (This would make good use to activate the pitch automation for instruments). Yannick if your reading this, you should consder it, it would be just like some of the most popular sampleing/synth keyboards out there and definatly a first in any type of music software (I think, havent really looked into it, but I've never heard of it being done before). Would almost mean that you could set instruments up to be activated by a midi trigger one instrument the host and the others the samples, that would be great.

Inge
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Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Nieuw Lekkerland @ Holland

Posted: Sun Dec 05 2004 21:20

LogicDeLuxe wrote:

And yes, I also find the song unusual and very interessting. I had to listen to it a few times to get used to it. Then it's pretty catchy.

Same here. Again a beautiful example of unconventional creativity. I really hope that you, NON, will start working on your total mixdown and mastering knowledge and implementation, because it seems very appealing to me to here your tracks with proper technical skills. It would make the tracks less obscure, and hence offer a lower threshold for potential new listeners. But please, keep this style of work. It's very nice to hear these unusual things!

Inge

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N0N
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Posted: Mon Dec 06 2004 06:42
Thanks Inge, I've learned alot in the last week, so I'll just do my best at whatever it is I do. Thats about all I can say really. So yes I will work on everything, but its hard to make perfect mixes without feedback from some other minds, and I dont work with anyone on my music (not cause I dont want to, I'm just not much of an outgoing person and am so intoverted, this forum really helped out. And learning new things, I hope never changes. I guess its kind of an odd combination, an introverted singer, hmm.. oh well, its true.

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