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sheepoid
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Joined: 18 May 2003
Location: England

Posted: Wed Jul 13 2005 12:51 24-bit samples (..again)
It's been mentioned here before - even so I can't help but reiterate my slight frustration: it's a real shame that MT cannot yet support 24-bit samples. I hate having to downgrade my own beautiful, pristine 24-bit samples, or those from the various mags (Computer Music, Future Music, etc.,). I still like MT a lot, and currently have no intention of moving over to Renoise (even though it does 24-bit samples ). Regards, David, England.

sheepoid
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Posted: Thu Jul 14 2005 14:49
Looks like I'm gonna have to suffer the humiliation of no responses Oh well, I still live in hope...

Walter Vos
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Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Groningen, The Netherlands

Posted: Thu Jul 14 2005 15:12
Re: 24-bit samples (..again)

sheepoid wrote:

It's been mentioned here before - even so I can't help but reiterate my slight frustration: it's a real shame that MT cannot yet support 24-bit samples. I hate having to downgrade my own beautiful, pristine 24-bit samples, or those from the various mags (Computer Music, Future Music, etc.,).

I still like MT a lot, and currently have no intention of moving over to Renoise (even though it does 24-bit samples Smile

).

Regards,

David,
England.

Euhm... I don't really care about 24 bit, I'd rather have full vst support first. cd's are still 16 bit too, so you'll be downgrading in the end anyway.

what is hip?

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sheepoid
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Posted: Thu Jul 14 2005 16:28

Walter Vos wrote:

Quote:

Euhm... I don't really care about 24 bit, I'd rather have full vst support first. cd's are still 16 bit too, so you'll be downgrading in the end anyway.

My needs are probably different to yours. I use VSTs too - but mainly VST effects. VSTi's simply don't give me the flexibility I need like samples do. You try creating a realistic, 'organic' sax or guitar solo using a VSTi - you just can't do it (or if you can then it's with a lot of hassle).

Yes, CD's are of course 16 bit quality, but creating music with 16-bit samples goes against pretty much every article I've read on mastering and pro music production... "Keep everything at 24-bit right until the mastering stage, then dither down to 16 bits".

I'm currently working on an album; I want it to sound as good as I can possibly make it, and I want to use MT and my growing collection of 24 bit samples.

Regards,
David.

Walter Vos
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Posted: Thu Jul 14 2005 17:37

sheepoid wrote:

Yes, CD's are of course 16 bit quality, but creating music with 16-bit samples goes against pretty much every article I've read on mastering and pro music production... "Keep everything at 24-bit right until the mastering stage, then dither down to 16 bits".

yeah, while i was writing i was thinking 'hmm.. i'm not sure if that's true'. well, i have no objection for 24 bit support, but it's indeed not a top priority for me. i'm planning on using real instruments too in the next year, but i'll just get a musician to my home and record them in cubase with madtracker rewired (or exported tracks).

what is hip?

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QBical
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Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Utrecht , The Netherlands

Posted: Thu Jul 14 2005 18:34
Isn't addapting 24bit support just a small step in the code? The wave export supports 24bit so why would the playback engine not support it? Grtz! Raymond
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Yannick
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Joined: 16 Apr 2003
Location: Belgium

Posted: Thu Jul 14 2005 19:25
I could see to convert 24-bit WAV files to 16-bit. But a native 24-bit sampler in the engine will be too much work. Yannick

realisation
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Joined: 05 Aug 2003

Posted: Thu Jul 14 2005 20:26
how about using a VSTi that supports 24-bit samples? i have to admit i'm still using madtrackers built in sample engine a lot (with vst effects,etc) but there are a lot of samplers out there that can support 24-bit and do stuff madtracker's engine can't do (and vice versa of course..) take a look at v-sampler, it looks pretty amazing

sheepoid
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Posted: Thu Jul 14 2005 21:10

realisation wrote:

how about using a VSTi that supports 24-bit samples?

i have to admit i'm still using madtrackers built in sample engine a lot (with vst effects,etc) but there are a lot of samplers out there that can support 24-bit and do stuff madtracker's engine can't do (and vice versa of course..)

take a look at v-sampler, it looks pretty amazing

You still can't use most of MT's effect commands with such a VSTi... I, for one, make very heavy use of 1xx/1xxxx, 2xx/2xxxx, 4xx/4xxxx, 3xx/3xxxx, 9xx, EDx and E9x - sadly only EDx can be used with VSTi's. In addition, stereo panning and volume control are easy, efficient and predictable with samples (but depending on the VSTi, they can be a real pain).

Don't get me wrong - I love VSTs and VSTis - I've collected well over 100 of them, and am deeply thankful to Yannick for providing support for them, but at the end of the day, MT's native effect commands give near-total control over how samples are played - and this is essential when you're trying to emulate sax, guitar and flute solos (amongst many other things of course) Smile

In any case, I'll check out V-Sampler as you suggested (...err hopefully it's free).

Regards,
David.

QBical
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Location: Utrecht , The Netherlands

Posted: Thu Jul 14 2005 22:22

Yannick wrote:

I could see to convert 24-bit WAV files to 16-bit. But a native 24-bit sampler in the engine will be too much work.

Well that would work for me! I have lots of 24bit samples lying arount from different music mags. It would be great to use them in an easy way in madtracker!
And the 16bit quality doesn't realy bother me...

But...

Isn't it possible to use an 16bit emulation of the sample for playback, and still keep the 24bit file, and use the native 24bit file for wave export?

Grtz
Raymond

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