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Walter Vos
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Posted: Sun Aug 14 2005 21:11
add phase offset... in miliseconds. you can get a more convincing stereo placement that way.
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Martin
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Posted: Sun Aug 14 2005 21:37
At the moment, just getting the controls to work is challenging enough - but if it gets sorted out I`ll try to improve the actual effects. As it is now, I have made some improvements in getting the room or joystick controll to work. But full controll from one point may prove ineffective, so it may have to be a compromise. I`ll let you know. Thanks for the input!
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Martin
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Posted: Mon Aug 15 2005 23:53
Thanks for pushing the room/joystick idea. I have implemented it again and it works a litle better.I am happy about sticking to the original idea! Theres a new picture of it on my webspace. Also I have put out a new version - mostly because there was some downloads of the very first version, and I thought I would put something better there. But its still very buggy and I cant/wont ask anyone to give comments at this stage. I may ask you for comments at a later stage.
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Martin
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Posted: Thu Aug 18 2005 11:33
Walter (or anybody who knows): Could you explain to me how "phase offset" works. I may be able to get hold of a phase offset control, but � am unsure of how it works. Would this be a way to controll if a sound is percieved to be coming from behind/up/down?? any tips is appreciated!
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Walter Vos
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Posted: Thu Aug 18 2005 14:00

Martin wrote:

Walter (or anybody who knows): Could you explain to me how "phase offset" works. I may be able to get hold of a phase offset control, but � am unsure of how it works. Would this be a way to controll if a sound is percieved to be coming from behind/up/down??

any tips is appreciated! Smile

it could make you think the sound is coming from behind/up/down. but what i meant is that if a sound is to your right, it will arrive slightly later in your left ear (and with less high frequencies, and a less volume). so if you have a phase offset control (for left and right channel) you could make a more realistic stereo image. i don't know how you make a sound being perceived coming from above, down or from behind. i also think it won't really work great on stereo speakers, this can work on headphones, but once again, i don't know how.

be sure not to go for an 'invert phase' control. this won't help. also, make the phase offset in miliseconds, not in degrees.

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Martin
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Posted: Thu Aug 18 2005 15:40
thanks! I ran into som trouble with the panning, it works in mono but doesnt output stereo sounds well - so Ill have to put the phase on hold for a litle while longer. Thanks for mentioning that phase inverter is not what I am looking for, because that was what I had downloaded. Typical!
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Walter Vos
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Posted: Thu Aug 18 2005 16:33

Martin wrote:

Thanks for mentioning that phase inverter is not what I am looking for, because that was what I had downloaded. Typical! Wink

phase inverter can be pretty interesting too, they do funny things to the localization of sound (do make an invert switch for both the left and right channel though, inverting both channels at once won't be that interesting (and with two switches you can still do this)).

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Martin
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Posted: Sat Aug 20 2005 02:39 Alpha 5
I`we got a new version out on my space. I`d appreciate any feedback. Thanks!
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Sunbuster
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Location: Finland

Posted: Sat Aug 20 2005 09:21
GUI: the whole GUI could be larger I think. The knobs are unneccesarily small atm. imo. GUI: On the high-filter, you should point out if it's a high-cut or high-pass filter. Same with the low. Allthough you can figure it out by trial and error, it would be good design to have it labeled GUI: which of the knobs am I supposed to turn when in mono-mode? In other words, label the knobs and faders left/mono and right for instance. TECH: I can't seem to get the mono switch to work. When I click mono and start turning knobs I get no change in the output. Stereo seems to work pretty well on the other hand. Mono switch not yet active? TECH: bybass is sample at original volume. Stereo seems to double the volume. Mono seems to lower the volume? I have all settings at extremes and that seem to produce the original sound, only volume changes (in other words, same as bypass). When in stereo mode, putting the presence faders to the middle produces the same volume level as switching to mono does. That's still lower than the input volume though, why?

Martin
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Posted: Sat Aug 20 2005 13:06

Sunbuster wrote:

GUI: the whole GUI could be larger I think. The knobs are unneccesarily small atm. imo.

GUI: On the high-filter, you should point out if it's a high-cut or high-pass filter. Same with the low. Allthough you can figure it out by trial and error, it would be good design to have it labeled Wink

GUI: which of the knobs am I supposed to turn when in mono-mode? In other words, label the knobs and faders left/mono and right for instance.

TECH: I can't seem to get the mono switch to work. When I click mono and start turning knobs I get no change in the output. Stereo seems to work pretty well on the other hand. Mono switch not yet active?

TECH: bybass is sample at original volume. Stereo seems to double the volume. Mono seems to lower the volume? I have all settings at extremes and that seem to produce the original sound, only volume changes (in other words, same as bypass). When in stereo mode, putting the presence faders to the middle produces the same volume level as switching to mono does. That's still lower than the input volume though, why?

In mono mode - you should primarily use the joystick. Use the knobs to alter the potency/effect of the joystick. They work around each other which may be a little confusing. (working on it) I guess you found out that you will have to choose bypass/stereo/mono - and also manually set the control panel to either stereo or mono.

Does the Stereo double the volume? I`ll look at it on my system there is no/little difference between bypass and Stereo in gain. However, I also had some lowering of the volume in mono. Be aware of the Low and Hi Pass filters settings. They cut much of the sound.

I`m glad you mentioned that you wanted more labels, I wasnt sure - because I figured that one would just "turn and learn" Wink

Also I`ll look at the size - I`m a bit surprised - I figured it would be better if smaller.

Thanks!

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Sunbuster
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Posted: Sat Aug 20 2005 15:47
Ok, I must admit I totally missed that there is a dropdown where you select stereo or mono controls. The box looked like one of those mouse over tooltips so I completely ignored it figuring it was some glitch. The volume difference from bypass to stereo is completely dependent on what position the presence faders are in. If they're at the top then the volume is double compared to bypass or mono. A simple solution again would be to put a scale on the fader where 100% is in the middle (or where the volume from bypass to stereo is the same). About the GUI size, it might have an impact that I'm working with a resolution of 1280x960? But still, I think the knobs could be bigger and the faders longer (would give more accuracy to them).

Martin
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Posted: Sun Aug 21 2005 14:33

Sunbuster wrote:

Ok, I must admit I totally missed that there is a dropdown where you select stereo or mono controls. The box looked like one of those mouse over tooltips so I completely ignored it figuring it was some glitch.

The volume difference from bypass to stereo is completely dependent on what position the presence faders are in. If they're at the top then the volume is double compared to bypass or mono. A simple solution again would be to put a scale on the fader where 100% is in the middle (or where the volume from bypass to stereo is the same).

About the GUI size, it might have an impact that I'm working with a resolution of 1280x960? But still, I think the knobs could be bigger and the faders longer (would give more accuracy to them).

Sunbuster, Im working on it. I got myself a bit of a cold and are presently enjoying a feverish existense. Wink

However I have noticed your remarks and I do consider them. Both the volume and the knob size.

Smile

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Sunbuster
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Posted: Wed Sep 14 2005 10:08
How's this going?

Martin
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Posted: Wed Sep 14 2005 12:08
Im kinda stuck for now - I wanted to make a bigger room/joystick so that one could get more accuracy when placing the sound, and I`we been looking at that - but it doesnt look good because I think the size is hardcoded (not easily changeable). Also I have been looking at better knobs/buttons like you suggested - and that should be possible. I dont really know where to go - my ideas for the VST mostly incoroporate a larger room. This basicly means that I would have to learn more (about subControls in SyntEdit) which is cool but also rather time consuming. I`ll see if I cant put some more effort into it - Thanks for asking! BTW: Any new material on your computer, will you be entering the combo? I just listen to one of your pieces yesterday (I think it was mystic peaks) VERY competent stuff.
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Sunbuster
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Posted: Thu Sep 15 2005 08:14

Martin wrote:

BTW: Any new material on your computer, will you be entering the combo? I just listen to one of your pieces yesterday (I think it was mystic peaks) VERY competent stuff.

Thanks!

Actually yeah, I have one track that I've been playing with for a while now. Will probably release it this weekend sometime Wink

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