MagnarTBL
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Joined: 18 Jan 2005
Location: Ronneby, Sweden
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 Posted: Fri Oct 14 2005 16:42
Hard Crispy Noise Out the Speakers Forever! |
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Well, I am totally lacking motivation to compose music nowadays, after my recent song "crashed"...
Basically, I made some last changes, saved it. Listened to it, and it all worked fine. Next day, I loaded it and all that happends was high cracking noise coming out my speakers, freezing madtracker...
This made me ofcourse panic, as I didn't have any backup of the song I was so happy with. Next, there is no good way to copy patterns from 1 song into another, to try with a fresh start...
After days, even weeks, I went back to the mess trying to figure out why Madtracker crashed everytime I loaded that particular song: When it suddenly got to me, it had to be because CPU overload of VSTs.
I still am quite unmotivated to compose because of this event, mainly because I know I am going to need to use atleast the same amount of plugins to achieve the "sound" I want even in future songs...
Now, the most depressing about the whole experience, is first of all that Madtracker wasn't able to give me a popup singalizing "CPU OVERLOAD DUE TO VTS PLUGIN(S)!".
Secondly, that I was not able to rescue my work by copying all patterns into a new clean song.
And third, knowing my PC truely sucks big times if I want to compose high-end quality music instead of what I already done and experienced with in the past...
Now, case 1+2 is something I hope Yannick can address in next version of MadTracker.
About case 3, I hope I'll win in lotto someday... So I can atleast get myself a 2xCPU computer with the latests and best performance spec. Well, it's all about the money. 
Anyway, I hope my inspiration will be back soon tho.. Hate to just fall back to this forum and write tons of messages instead of actually compose.
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Inge
Man-At-Arms
Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Nieuw Lekkerland @ Holland
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Posted: Fri Oct 14 2005 16:59
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/me calls doctor Phil.
There is an option in madtracker called 'stop on CPU overhead'. That should force MT to stop doing anything once a certain threshold is crossed. Is that ticked?
Upgrading is not as expensive as you might think. Most basic, you'll need a new mobo, cpu, memory and power supply. If you swap parts yourself, you can be set and done for approx 250 euro's with some rather decent stuff.
Can't help further though. Good luck recovering. Nothing is worth more than a rig you can trust while making music. I personally suffered for more than a year from a bug in my mainboard that made MT freeze at random moments. I also lost inspiration due to that, because I couldn't trust my computer anymore. Since I kicked that mainboard away, all was solved. It's very nice to have a computer that has literally never randomnly rebooted for no reason in more than a year time, and therefore well-worth the investment. |
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InHousePussy
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Joined: 13 Nov 2003
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Posted: Fri Oct 14 2005 17:39
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I've had a similar experience regarding that type of noise, and in my case i found it was the EQ that caused it...
Cirtan EQ settings for some strange reason gave this result, but after tweeking an EQ-nob slightly the problem was solved.(i narrowed it down to 1 track) ne1 else with the same prob/bug...? 
my setup is;p4 - 2.5ghz - 512ram - sblive(crap) |
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Martin
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Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Norway
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Posted: Sat Oct 15 2005 00:00
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If you uncheck the "play after loading a module" you might get a chance to delete some of the VST that leads to the crash - and you can resave the module without the VSTs |
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MagnarTBL
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Joined: 18 Jan 2005
Location: Ronneby, Sweden
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Posted: Sat Oct 15 2005 07:35
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Hi
Stop on CPU overhead is ticked, but MT2 still freezes when the song is loaded.
Martin's suggestion of unchecking "play after loading a module" works, after enduring over 10sec of cracking noise MT2 just stops freezing. And then I could start deleting VSTs and save the song as a new module. Quit MT2 (as MT2 still was fucked up), restart MT2 and reload the new module without the VSTs.
After experienced all this, my motivation is still very low... Atleast I got the "song back", but I clearly have to figure out another way to put all of this together. It would mean some extra hours of merging parts of the songs into seperate static samples, instead of editable notes/tracks.
Anyway, I'll give it another try... When motivation gets back eventually. |
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Franklin van Uden
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Joined: 26 Apr 2005
Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Sun Oct 16 2005 16:04
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The same things happen to me all the time (Using VST plugins is mostly very cpu intensive)..
When i'm working on a track, i "switch" between the tracks who have VST instruments on them, so turning off some tracks and then compose on additional tracks, so not al the (vst) intruments are played at once ..
In the end i use the wave export to listen to the whole song, i know this is far from ideal, but it gives me a way to work around my Poor little CPU.
I love to see a PANIC button in MT 3 though ... Now i switch all the tracks on and off when my CPU freezes (at least when it is possible to get some of the cpu's time to achive this :-S)
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Music ... is endless ... Work in progress ...
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MagnarTBL
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Joined: 18 Jan 2005
Location: Ronneby, Sweden
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Posted: Wed Oct 19 2005 13:44
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The problem is that I mainly only use Effects as VST plugins in my songs, and they doesn't seem to be "switched off" the same way a vst instruments does when muting a track.
Especially not the DirectX plugin Effects I use which are connected to the track through the VB_FFX4.dll.
Anyway, basically the main problem here is that the plugin requires too much CPU power (I got a 2,25GHz), and secondly that there is no panic button that really works turning off the Effects used with Madtracker through VST/DX. |
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