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cHiEfRoCkA 4 ReaL
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27 2006 12:03    
If you got about 1 hour and 25 mins time then watch this...
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...itīs very interesting.

Itīs about 9/11

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1519312457137943386&q=loose+change




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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27 2006 12:37    
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hmm yeah watched it before... only got one thing to say Razz

HOAX Razz


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cHiEfRoCkA 4 ReaL
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27 2006 12:57    
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What does HOAX mean?

Very Happy




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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27 2006 13:34    
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cHiEfRoCkA 4 ReaL wrote:
What does HOAX mean?

Very Happy


ehm.. hmm big hyped fake thing, I must say I dont believe this stuff.. oh well ^^


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27 2006 14:11    
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Isn't this from the same guy that did farenheid 9/11 ?

anyways, always stuff to think off ...


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cHiEfRoCkA 4 ReaL
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27 2006 21:19    
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cHiEfRoCkA 4 ReaL wrote:
What does HOAX mean?

Very Happy


ehm.. hmm big hyped fake thing, I must say I dont believe this stuff.. oh well ^^


Oh ok... Very Happy

Well I rather believe that than the story the media showed us when that shit happened.




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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27 2006 21:30    
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cHiEfRoCkA 4 ReaL wrote:
G3ronimo wrote:
cHiEfRoCkA 4 ReaL wrote:
What does HOAX mean?

Very Happy


ehm.. hmm big hyped fake thing, I must say I dont believe this stuff.. oh well ^^


Oh ok... Very Happy

Well I rather believe that than the story the media showed us when that shit happened.


hehe yeah right, I heard loads of story's about the 9/11 thing... al theory's based on.. ehm.. nothing Razz

like israelians attacking the WTC... ya rite mon


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cHiEfRoCkA 4 ReaL
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27 2006 21:36    
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G3ronimo wrote:
cHiEfRoCkA 4 ReaL wrote:
G3ronimo wrote:
cHiEfRoCkA 4 ReaL wrote:
What does HOAX mean?

Very Happy


ehm.. hmm big hyped fake thing, I must say I dont believe this stuff.. oh well ^^


Oh ok... Very Happy

Well I rather believe that than the story the media showed us when that shit happened.


hehe yeah right, I heard loads of story's about the 9/11 thing... al theory's based on.. ehm.. nothing Razz

like israelians attacking the WTC... ya rite mon


I heard that crap too.

But in that movie are many facts which seem to be very logic and truthful.

For example the supposed plane that crashed into the Pentagon.
Or about the WTC...how it could crash into itself so exactly.
I always wondered - before i saw that clip - how these 2 towers could collapse like that.




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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27 2006 22:17    
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cHiEfRoCkA 4 ReaL wrote:
G3ronimo wrote:
cHiEfRoCkA 4 ReaL wrote:
G3ronimo wrote:
cHiEfRoCkA 4 ReaL wrote:
What does HOAX mean?

Very Happy


ehm.. hmm big hyped fake thing, I must say I dont believe this stuff.. oh well ^^


Oh ok... Very Happy

Well I rather believe that than the story the media showed us when that shit happened.


hehe yeah right, I heard loads of story's about the 9/11 thing... al theory's based on.. ehm.. nothing Razz

like israelians attacking the WTC... ya rite mon


I heard that crap too.

But in that movie are many facts which seem to be very logic and truthful.

For example the supposed plane that crashed into the Pentagon.
Or about the WTC...how it could crash into itself so exactly.
I always wondered - before i saw that clip - how these 2 towers could collapse like that.



the towers collapsed cause of the high heat that the burning kerosine produced.. the metal frame which is build inside a building just molt

its all speculations... I mean.. geez calling people of rols royce asking what kinda engine something is -_-'

they compare the most stupid things with eachother... like an airplane crashing into a mountain and one into the pentagon.. it makes no sense...

they are all like: "oh yeah it should like this and this"

how the hell do they know? ddid they build an other pentagon and crash a plane into it?

and comparing milosovich's apparement and the pentagon is a joke ^^ dont you think the pentagon is BUILD against tomahawk attacks?

too much speculations, too many comparissons that make no sense, twisting story's of winesses

I stick with hoax Razz


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cHiEfRoCkA 4 ReaL
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27 2006 23:42    
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the towers collapsed cause of the high heat that the burning kerosine produced.. the metal frame which is build inside a building just molt


Sure...the metal melted.
None of them two planes hit the towers in the middle of the side.
Shouldnt they have toppled to the side???
What about the lil explosions they shown (and zoomed in also) which came out of the windows?
And what about the witnesses who heard explosions after the planes crashed in and the cracking floors above?
Yeah...they paid all those witnesses just to tell that crap.
And the similes to the other buldings which burned much longer and at more floors than the WTC?



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its all speculations... I mean.. geez calling people of rols royce asking what kinda engine something is -_-'


Not only Rolls Royce...and what speculations? They asked specialists for their opinion.


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and comparing milosovich's apparement and the pentagon is a joke ^^ dont you think the pentagon is BUILD against tomahawk attacks?


LOL....you wanna tell me that a cruise missile with a warhead cant rip a hole into the pentagon but an airplane can???
And without leaving parts of it?
Not to mention that the part which got destroyed was on renovation.
And if the CIA or the government wanna rip a hole into the pentagon, they surely know how...i mean...assumed if the theory is right that they planned that whole shit.

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too much speculations, too many comparissons that make no sense, twisting story's of winesses


Disagreed!
You know before I started watching it I was kinda suspicious too...like...aint that a fake?
Okay...I cant tell about the put-options....or the politicians who cancelled their flights on 9/11...I dont know where they got their sources from.
But all those other facts and comparisons definately make sense...maybe not all of them...but mostly they do.

The thing is...maybe we never get to know the truth...but I donīt trust the US Government...Bush...Afghanistan...Iraq...Weapons of Mass Destruction which never really got proved.

Someone who wanna believe in a terrorist attack will believe in it.
I heard a lotta crap about that day too...like 5000 Israelis didnt go to work that day and stuff like that.
But all that is fishy.
And if only half of the part of Michael Mooreīs Fahrenheit 9/11 or that clip was true...well...mmhh...i better dont say it Very Happy.

But its useless to discuss that in a forum...I didnt mean to actually.
Just posted the link....watch it...think about it...thats all.
To me it makes sense...just lookin at the motives.

Everybody got his own opinion Wink!

Peace!




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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28 2006 07:17    
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Seen it before. I don't like the Bush administration and what they are doing in the world. This could very well be true.

It was a psychological attack on the american people, and it was carried out with military precision.

Too many questions, too few answers to be credible. (referring to the governments involvment here, not the movie)


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28 2006 08:36    
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I haven't seen it yet, but I will because of this discussion. I must say that it sounds like utter nonsense to me, since there are too many bright people on this world to trick to make such a major project work.

Furthermore, making movies like this always is rather easy. Look for uncovered areas concerning explanation, and find for arguments there that support your overall approach. As with all types of science: everything can be proved, as long as you are the one who decides what the important arguments are.


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cHiEfRoCkA 4 ReaL
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28 2006 12:17    
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Well, I ainīt no american.

But I have seen a lot of american patriotism.

As this movie comes from american people I donīt understand why they should fake that?
Too many things about that incidents are weird and very mysterious.
But the fact is that thousands of people had to die and we all wanna find out what really happened.

I donīt think itīs easy to make a movie like that.
Cause if you publish it over there you are meant to be non-patriotic, you put yourself against the government etc etc...

I donīt believe it to 100%...
But it made me think a lot and I just donīt trust that government, let alone Mr. Bush.

And about the media...
Just an example:
When it happened all news channels reported 24/7 about it.
Here in Germany they showed a scene of happy dancing Palestinians (I hope i spelled that right Smile ) who r supposed to be happy about it.
Strange that they didnt interview any of them.
Then three weeks later a german journalist proved that that clip was recorded months ago and didnt have anything to do with that incident.
Thats our media which already creates prejudices...




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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28 2006 12:25    
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cHiEfRoCkA 4 ReaL wrote:
Well, I ainīt no american.

But I have seen a lot of american patriotism.

As this movie comes from american people I donīt understand why they should fake that?
Too many things about that incidents are weird and very mysterious.
But the fact is that thousands of people had to die and we all wanna find out what really happened.

I donīt think itīs easy to make a movie like that.
Cause if you publish it over there you are meant to be non-patriotic, you put yourself against the government etc etc...

I donīt believe it to 100%...
But it made me think a lot and I just donīt trust that government, let alone Mr. Bush.


This argument seems rather invalid to me. Left wing is about as big as the right wing. If there is one person popular in America, it's Michael Moore, who made interesting but rather prejudiced movies. Don't think of the US as one country with one opinion.

For the record: being Dutch, I'm also against most US-based ideals and beliefs. I resent their neglection of the environment and their attitude to walk over others for their own good.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28 2006 17:52    
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But the fact is that thousands of people had to die and we all wanna find out what really happened.




3 planes crashed?

one in the Pentagon... 2 in the WTC which isnt standing up anymore..


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