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TNK / ATK project
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 Posted: Tue May 25 2004 13:12
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Hi all,
As some of you might know, I work for a swiss video production company called Affox (www.affox.ch). As we are always looking for new film ideas, the idea of making a documentary movie about the tracking scene (in general, not only the MT scene, even if this one would be included, of course) comes more and more into my mind. Before submitting the idea to my boss, I wanted your advice on that subject.
As digital online music has become a burning issue in most countries because of P2P/Filesharing, I thought a documentary showing that digital online music is not always piracy but sometimes can even be creativity and, in the case of tracked music, a totally new form of art, would be interesting to both the audiance and for TV networks who love such subjects.
The target audiance / channels would be quite serious and art-oriented ones, like the German/French channel ARTE.
Questions :
- Do you think it's a good idea ?
- If yes, would you like to "star" in such a project ?
Thanks for your answer(s).
/TNK
Warning : nothing is sure yet ! I *don't know* whether this film will be made one day or not. The only sure thing is that *You* hold a part of the decision... |
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D Vibe
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Location: Sweden
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Posted: Tue May 25 2004 13:40
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If you're going to have a historical part of it, be sure to include the whole tracking history in that case, not only from FT2 and forward or something like that. Include everything about computer music from 8-bit machines (Spectrum/C64), to 16 bit machines (Amiga/Atari) to todays modern 32 bit computers..
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D Vibe
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Location: Sweden
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Posted: Tue May 25 2004 13:41
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A very important part is ofcourse the demoscene which was a way of publicy the tracked music back in the eighties and nineties.. |
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TNK / ATK project
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Joined: 13 May 2003
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Posted: Tue May 25 2004 14:01
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Hi !
There will be parts about the demoscene (if the film is made), but not too much, as it would turn the film into a 3 hours long movie !
The main axis of the project would be :
- What a tracker actually is.
- Historical part (Starting from Obarski's Soundtracker 1.0), but references to old C64 trackers can be made (if someone could send me some C64 trackers useable under C64 emulators like CCS64, it would make this part even more possible). The toughest part will be to get an interview from Obarski !
- The creation of a new way of doing music, both cheap and qualitative.
- The fact some real artistic talents have emerged from it, that this world has it's stars too...
- The community feeling around it, and it's worldwide reach (I do not want to focus the thing on european trackers, but would also like to interview trackers from North and South America, Australia, Asia...).
From a purely cinematographic point of view, I'ld like to have many "zone switches", with cuts from the cold Sibirian winters our fellow tracker Eternal Engine enjoys (?) to some tropical lagoons and so on...
- All kind of "Tracking success story", this means anything that the tracking scene has brought you that influenced your everydays life, or something that went public (TV plays,...) is welcome.
- Any cool axis you could suggest me...
What will not be included :
- Anything that could lead to the stupid amalgam Trackers = Demoscene = Hackers = Evil pirates.
- Covers of commercial songs.
One of my major doubts about that project is that the new EU software pattents project could make madtracker (and any tracker) illegal in fact, and I don't want to harm the community by making a movie that would expose it to such problems.
BTW, if you are against the EU software pattents policy, Eurolinux organizes a petition against it at http://petition.eurolinux.org
/TNK |
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mikx
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Location: Melbourne
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Posted: Tue May 25 2004 14:05
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this would be such a great idea.. and i'd sure like to star in such a project!  and maybe get some oldschoolers from the demoscene too like purple motion and skaven- speaking of which, how does one go from tracker = demoscene to an evil hacker all of a sudden? i think the demoscene and tracking have played a huge role hand in hand.
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TNK / ATK project
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Posted: Tue May 25 2004 14:11
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this would be such a great idea.. and i'd sure like to star in such a project! and maybe get some oldschoolers from the demoscene too like purple motion and skaven.
mike
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For budgetary reasons, the ones that could star in this programm would be people who are able to film themselves decently (or to have friends doing so) with a DV video camera or who live close enough to our place (max. 200 Km away from Basel, Switzerland, and not too far from major train lines).
Our team cannot travel the world to meet trackers all around the globe (even if we'ld like too!), simply because our bank account does not allow us to spend half a year in planes touring the world. We are a liiiiiitttttllllleeeee company !
We would have to do a casting among those who'ld like to star in it, a casting that would reflect the diversity of the tracking scene (different music styles, ages, lifestyles, places...). Trackers coders (PSI / FC, Starbreeze studios, Yannick...) will of course be automatically selected (if they want to star in such a project, of course).
About Skaven : I have his e-mail and I know he did things dealing with videos & stuff, so he should fit those requirements and yes, If the project is made, I'ld like to include him too...
About trackers being "evil pirates", I noticed that anything dealing with the demoscene and to online music has been more or less mixed up with piracy in the mass medias lately. There *is* some stupid hysteria around online music today, want it or not... I do not understand it neither, but it's sadly a fact... |
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Inge
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Posted: Tue May 25 2004 14:19
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A movie about the tracking scene itself seems quite, er, uncommercial. Your explanation of making a documentary to show how internet-based music scenes that work with legal/own music sounds quite interesting. But how can you make such a thing attractive? Watching mikx for 15 minutes while he's doing drugs and programming beats sounds, er, fairly uninteresting.
[nothing personal, precious ]
But please, enlighten me with a more specific approach. Much interested to hear (and see!) more about this topic. |
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Yannick
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Posted: Tue May 25 2004 14:26
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Nice initiative! If you need any help don't hesitate to ask.
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One of my major doubts about that project is that the new EU software pattents project could make madtracker (and any tracker) illegal in fact, and I don't want to harm the community by making a movie that would expose it to such problems.
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It'd be sad to miss such an opportunity because of a stupid law! It is not a fact that any tracker will become illegal - don't be too pessimistic.
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Yannick
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Posted: Tue May 25 2004 14:29
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But please, enlighten me with a more specific approach. Much interested to hear (and see!) more about this topic.
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I believe that simply saying there is an underground music scene composed of enthousiast musicians who release their music freely and even let other look at the way they compose is enough to attract people.
Doing a commercial, mainstream documentary would be more boring that a documentary about some underground scene which deserves to be known better.
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TNK / ATK project
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Posted: Tue May 25 2004 14:29
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A movie about the tracking scene itself seems quite, er, uncommercial.
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Told that way it is, but if you explain clearly how it emerged, that it really is a new form of art, it can definitely be made interesting. I often noticed that the tracking scene is interesting to most people who aren't interested in computers at all.
I don't know if you are a judge in this year's MT2 compo, but just keep the following in mind : The girl with whom I made my entry had strictly no interest for computers 6 months ago, and now that she discovered MT2, she's saving all her money to buy one and to start tracking !
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Your explanation of making a documentary to show how internet-based music scenes that work with legal/own music sounds quite interesting. But how can you make such a thing attractive?
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By a cleverly written screenplay ! That's more a filmmakers issue (or even challenge, I'ld like to say!), but I think it is possible to do so. I do not say this movie's gonna make 60% marketshare the day it will be broadcasted (It's not gonna be Mad Idol season 26!), but it could be interesting to atleast a decent part of the audience.
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Watching mikx for 15 minutes while he's doing drugs and programming beats sounds, er, fairly uninteresting.
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1 - No drugs will appear on screen. Even if he does so (I assume nothing), this will be cutted out of the movie.
2 - The movie will not show people sitting in front of their trackers, filling patterns of crazy beats (some cut shoots might show this, but not more). It will more be interview based.
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But please, enlighten me with a more specific approach. Much interested to hear (and see!) more about this topic.
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Is this already clearer ? Read the major axises above. I think they convey ideas that can be appealing even for a non-computer geek.
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Nice initiative! If you need any help don't hesitate to ask.
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One of my major doubts about that project is that the new EU software pattents project could make madtracker (and any tracker) illegal in fact, and I don't want to harm the community by making a movie that would expose it to such problems.
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It'd be sad to miss such an opportunity because of a stupid law! It is not a fact that any tracker will become illegal - don't be too pessimistic.
Yannick
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I might be a bit pessimistic on this issue, but my cousin who started an IT/programming company told me there really is a risk about this ! He's the one who told me about the http://petition.eurolinux.org initiative, urging me to sign it and to spread the word.
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I believe that simply saying there is an underground music scene composed of enthousiast musicians who release their music freely and even let other look at the way they compose is enough to attract people.
Doing a commercial, mainstream documentary would be more boring that a documentary about some underground scene which deserves to be known better.
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The fact is quite simple : Every time I told about the tracking scene to a media person, he/she is astonished that this isn't already doing the headlines in major newspapers !
It has just been too underground for now, and many people simply do not know about it. Everytime I tell people my music is done at home, with a shareware programm coded by an individual programmer, they feel this is a real revolution in music making.
/TNK |
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CamBomb
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Posted: Tue May 25 2004 15:11
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yeah this definetly sounds like a great idea, people don't believe me when i say i make my music with a single program making my own loops and such. They kinda just stare at me...I'd definetly like to see such a documentary come to be! I mean, if you need donations for it i'm sure the community could scrounge something up for it! I'd like to be a part of this documentary, even though i reside on the east coast of the US. I'd still like to help out |
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TNK / ATK project
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Posted: Tue May 25 2004 15:35
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yeah this definetly sounds like a great idea, people don't believe me when i say i make my music with a single program making my own loops and such. They kinda just stare at me...I'd definetly like to see such a documentary come to be! I mean, if you need donations for it i'm sure the community could scrounge something up for it! I'd like to be a part of this documentary, even though i reside on the east coast of the US. I'd still like to help out
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I do not really need donations, as the donations that would be required to shoot it like regular documentary movies are shot is by far too high (an average documentary movie produced the normal way costs $200.000 !), but we can use the fact that technology has become more and more affordable and that the internet allows community working without any problem to reduce drastically the costs of the movie.
Basically, from a legal point of view, this documentary movie wouldn't differ too much from "Video gag", but with a completely different content, of course !
In fact I just need :
- The (moral and intellectual) support of the tracking scene.
- People all around the world with DV cameras (or more pro cameras), who are able to shoot correctly (those people will of course be paid). If you don't own a DV video camera, one of your friends sure does !
- Stars ! Obscure trackers are welcome, but well known ones even more ! As I said in a prior post, I'll be looking for trackers in different styles (from the most commercial to the most underground, and not only for trackers who sound electronic), from different places (Small village Vs Major city).
- Music (I'm sure 99% of the trackers would allow me to use their music in such a movie, but still, I will have to require a written license for this).
Of course, full credits will be given to those composers, and they will keep all the rights on their tracks.
Ah yes...The movie - if it will be made - will be shot in English. This means that you need to be able to speak a decent English to star in this movie.
Additionnal voices can be asked for those who speak French and/or German. If you don't speak French or German, an actor/actress will do the voice overs for you (By actor/actress, don't expect a Hollywood superstar, I often had to "star" myself as an "actor" in our projects!).
/TNK |
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Blaster
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Posted: Tue May 25 2004 22:16
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- Anything that could lead to the stupid amalgam Trackers = Demoscene = Hackers = Evil pirates.
/TNK
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Maybe hackers isn't very applicable, but crackers most certainly are. If you ever been in touch with illegal software you know those intro's they have written to promote their group. These guys are basicly from the demoscene or have close ties to them (they do the same stuff). |
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mikx
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Posted: Wed May 26 2004 06:43
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Watching mikx for 15 minutes while he's doing drugs and programming beats sounds, er, fairly uninteresting.
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hahaha! gee i hope i haven't made myself to look like some kind of drug addict of the mt2 forum hehe. anyway i promise i won't talk about inge's music so it won't be that boring.
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Inge
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Posted: Wed May 26 2004 08:35
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| Inge wrote: |
Watching mikx for 15 minutes while he's doing drugs and programming beats sounds, er, fairly uninteresting.
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hahaha! gee i hope i haven't made myself to look like some kind of drug addict of the mt2 forum hehe. anyway i promise i won't talk about inge's music so it won't be that boring.
mikx
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I heard that!
/me moves mouse to 'block ip'
Mind you!
Inge |
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