DJ Tiago
User
Joined: 19 Apr 2004
|
 Posted: Tue May 16 2006 15:24
HELP ME WHAT ARE VSTS NOTES IN? |
 |
What note do VSTs compose samples with? I mean when you import a sample you can tell what note you want it to be set to? Now with VSTs what do I have to do? Set the other instruments to be in tune or is there some way of setting the note of VSTs?
I do see with some VSTs you can tune the instrument. But is everything in C minor what??? |
|
|
 Back to top |
|
 |
|
|
QBical
Registered User
Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Utrecht , The Netherlands
|
Posted: Tue May 16 2006 23:11
|
|
I can't realy make out what you're trying to ask, but here's an answer maby you can do something with it :
- when VST instruments are loaded madtracker automaticly creates an instrument that you can play/input notes with. A vst instrument just spans the entire range form the lowest to the highest key. If you want it to sound different then C minor then just play another chord.
Maybe you can elaborate a bit more by telling us what VST intstrument you use and stuff like that. |
PC: P4 HT 3ghz, 1gb ram, 500GB+ Storage, plextor DVD-rw, M-audo Audiophile 2496
Laptop: Apple Powerbook G4 15inch
Other Stuff: Phonic MU802 mixer, Alesis M1 Active Mk2 Monitors, Ipod 2nd gen. 20GB, maxtor firewire HD 80GB |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
DJ Tiago
User
Joined: 19 Apr 2004
|
Posted: Wed May 17 2006 01:27
|
|
It is with all VSTS. Ok say we are making a song. When you load a sample and not a VST you can change the note the sample can be played at. You do this by clicking on the sample and then clicking on the green play button. Then you can change the note or octave of the instrument. Where can you do that with VST?
 [/img]
I have posted an image. I have put an arrow where you can adjust the note of the sample. With VSTs you can't change it from C note. |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
QBical
Registered User
Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Utrecht , The Netherlands
|
Posted: Wed May 17 2006 07:40
|
|
ah now I get it...
You can't 
Samples come in all different sizes and measures...
You can have a bass sample that is sampled while the bass played a C, and you can have a synth sample of a synth that played an B. Now if you use madtracker to input the same notes for each instrument then it doesn't sound right.
You can work around this by letting madtracker now that the synth sample is actualy a sample in B, you do that with the field you talked about, that way madtracker will figure out the right pitch and it will sound ok!
VST's are not samples, they have an oscilator wich produces a certain frequency based on the notes you play.
They are tuned correctly so madtracker doesn't need to adjust the pitch. If it sounds out of tune then you might consider retuning your samples or checking if you play the same note.
hope this helps! |
PC: P4 HT 3ghz, 1gb ram, 500GB+ Storage, plextor DVD-rw, M-audo Audiophile 2496
Laptop: Apple Powerbook G4 15inch
Other Stuff: Phonic MU802 mixer, Alesis M1 Active Mk2 Monitors, Ipod 2nd gen. 20GB, maxtor firewire HD 80GB |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
joselapena
User
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
|
Posted: Wed May 17 2006 08:41
|
|
hi,
i don't know if i really understood the problem, but you CAN
tune a vsti in semitones within madtracker. just click on the instrument related to the plugin. there you can find transp.
+1 = 1 semitone up, for example c=c#,
+12 = 1 octave up
...
| Quote: |
|
They are tuned correctly so madtracker doesn't need to adjust the pitch
|
you can detune a synthesizer, if you want to. and if you use presets of a vsti, the oscillators may be detuned, but that's intended. it's up to you whether that fits or not. if it does not, you can tune the oscillators "correctly". |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
joselapena
User
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
QBical
Registered User
Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Utrecht , The Netherlands
|
Posted: Thu May 18 2006 12:18
|
|
| joselapena wrote: |
hi,
i don't know if i really understood the problem, but you CAN
tune a vsti in semitones within madtracker. just click on the instrument related to the plugin. there you can find transp.
+1 = 1 semitone up, for example c=c#,
+12 = 1 octave up
...
| Quote: |
|
They are tuned correctly so madtracker doesn't need to adjust the pitch
|
you can detune a synthesizer, if you want to. and if you use presets of a vsti, the oscillators may be detuned, but that's intended. it's up to you whether that fits or not. if it does not, you can tune the oscillators "correctly".
|
That is the same if you take it this way " I don't want an A to play I want a C " instead of inserting an A note you insert an C. The topic started wanted to know if you could tune an VST from madtrackers interface, by telling madtracker that if you enter a C that the VST is playing an A, you cant do that from madtrackers interface |
PC: P4 HT 3ghz, 1gb ram, 500GB+ Storage, plextor DVD-rw, M-audo Audiophile 2496
Laptop: Apple Powerbook G4 15inch
Other Stuff: Phonic MU802 mixer, Alesis M1 Active Mk2 Monitors, Ipod 2nd gen. 20GB, maxtor firewire HD 80GB |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
XinetdD
Registered User
Joined: 15 Nov 2004
Location: South Africa
|
Posted: Thu May 18 2006 13:04
|
|
| joselapena wrote: |
hi,
i don't know if i really understood the problem, but you CAN
tune a vsti in semitones within madtracker. just click on the instrument related to the plugin. there you can find transp.
+1 = 1 semitone up, for example c=c#,
+12 = 1 octave up
|
This does work. just need to think abit to find your note |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
joselapena
User
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
|
Posted: Thu May 18 2006 19:56
|
|
| Quote: |
You can work around this by letting madtracker now that the synth sample is actualy a sample in B, you do that with the field you talked about, that way madtracker will figure out the right pitch and it will sound ok!
|
i thought of the following case:
i made a track in which everything except the drums came from plugins, but then i found a single-note bass-sample that fitted better than the bass from the vsti. better concerning the sound, but it didn't fit in cases of tonality.
so what to do?
1.tune(transpose) the sample?
2.tune the plugins?
i would mostly prefer the second option and tuning/transposing ist ten(or more) times faster than tracking down the notes that are really played.
| Quote: |
|
That is the same if you take it this way " I don't want an A to play I want a C " instead of inserting an A note you insert an C.
|
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
QBical
Registered User
Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Utrecht , The Netherlands
|
Posted: Fri May 19 2006 08:28
|
|
Well it looks like a lot more work to retune all the VST's, when you just need to retune one little sample |
PC: P4 HT 3ghz, 1gb ram, 500GB+ Storage, plextor DVD-rw, M-audo Audiophile 2496
Laptop: Apple Powerbook G4 15inch
Other Stuff: Phonic MU802 mixer, Alesis M1 Active Mk2 Monitors, Ipod 2nd gen. 20GB, maxtor firewire HD 80GB |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
XinetdD
Registered User
Joined: 15 Nov 2004
Location: South Africa
|
Posted: Fri May 19 2006 10:42
|
|
if it was easy is wouldnt be any fun  |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
joselapena
User
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
|
Posted: Fri May 19 2006 12:26
|
|
| Quote: |
Well it looks like a lot more work to retune all the VST's, when you just need to retune one little sample
|
yeah, thou art absolutely right, but if you transpose a short sample, let's say 5 semitones up, it could get too short. ok, you could work with loops, but that does not always lead to good results.
anybody who suggests to transpose the sample 7 semitones down?
ok, the sample wouldn't shorten, but maybe the sound wouldn't please your ears.
oh, what a lively discussion! |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Inge
Man-At-Arms
Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Nieuw Lekkerland @ Holland
|
Posted: Fri May 19 2006 12:28
|
|
| joselapena wrote: |
yeah, thou art absolutely right, but if you transpose a short sample, let's say 5 semitones up, it could get too short. ok, you could work with loops, but that does not always lead to good results.
anybody who suggests to transpose the sample 7 semitones down?
ok, the sample wouldn't shorten, but maybe the sound wouldn't please your ears.
oh, what a lively discussion!
|
The simple answer is: reproduce the sample in a synth. That way you can transpose your heart out without any effect on instrument length. |
Care for a game of Monopoly? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
joselapena
User
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
|
Posted: Fri May 19 2006 12:42
|
|
| Quote: |
|
The simple answer is: reproduce the sample in a synth.
|
what? how?   |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Inge
Man-At-Arms
Joined: 04 May 2003
Location: Nieuw Lekkerland @ Holland
|
Posted: Fri May 19 2006 13:12
|
|
| joselapena wrote: |
| Quote: |
|
The simple answer is: reproduce the sample in a synth.
|
what? how?
|
VST instruments are meant to create sounds with. If you have a certain sample that is detuned and too short to survive transposition (which I doubt, but okay, let's assume), then the best solution is to try to recreate the sample in a VST. Each virtual synth has its own area of sounds that it covers most properly, so you will need to find a VSTi that is able to create the sound you want to copy. Nevertheless, a real 1:1-copy will be hard (impossible better describes this situation). |
Care for a game of Monopoly? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Home/News
About
Download
Plugins
Tutorials
Register
Registered Users
Community
Music
Compo
Links
Forum
HELP ME WHAT ARE VSTS NOTES IN?
Log in
Profile
FAQ
