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SX001
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Joined: 22 Sep 2006

Posted: Tue Jul 28 2026 12:56
does it always have to be this way?

as soon as it gets discussion to avoid pitfalls, it ends, as young developer --- Magic --- does not get a praise. Disregarding totally the input and then deleting his posts in another thread.

SX001 wrote:

Magic wrote:

SX001 wrote:

alright, but do not tell me it requires also the latest M$ windows release, requires VST3 and has no functionality to use 20 midi controller outputs.

I am working similar way to make it usable for WIN98SE.

The point of NOT making for latest M$ windows is that they change too fast, have 100000000000 programmers. To make MT3 for old releases is becouse MSwin 98 and XP do not change, and we here "develop" this MT3 already 20 years...

Well, thats a bit of a rude negative response. Telling a lone developer what to do just because it doesnt suits your needs?

Im doing this alone, im doing this as a fun project not a multi million dollar software.

It will be open source and free,it will stay open source and free you can even take a look at the source code and do it your self which by the way, there are currently 6,000 lines of code and working. Good luck trying to get that lot working on a defunct os!

It wont be perfect at all, hense why I'm learning to code and using ai to help me proceed.

I love madtracker always have, Im just trying to revive it a bit to give it a boost of life but if this is the kind of negative response im gonna get from this community , i might as well just stop what im doing and say fck it.

Cheers.

well yes, SORRY! I can be a very salty, but look around there are many many one-mans tracker projects which began with one man project, in github, "hey it is free and public!", BUT unreadable source and no documentation! So it was also left as one-mans project. And so its destiny was to be abandoned and the next man begins from the scratch. HOwever he begins with the same way as its predecessor and that is unusable source too. Do you see pattern? 99.9995% of those open-source things are unreadable, they are public but not developed in mind to be useful for someone else or as teamwork to take it over. Energy, time wasted as everyone has to build from the scratch again.
If the source would have been documented then atleast someone could have got ideas to add new features, fix bugs, but without project it is just simpler to make it from the scratch instead.

So, the thing you do, it can be open source but do you have the project and documentation? Without project it is no useful for other developers and cant be teamwork, it begins as one-mans-project and will end as one mans project just as MT2.

Thats the main reason why MT3 development is painful -- there is no project and no proper documentation as it was made with itching fingers toward coding with excuse as "hey it is just one man and no money".

So, another question... do you prefer the similar development as "me me me", itching fingers for coding with no plan with primary purpose to be useful for you and using the simplest possible solutions? And as we all age and lose interest it is abandoned later. (Yannick said too that the MT2 does not die as Impulse tracker etc... ).
The another method to build requires project, it is much slower, but this is how systems are built which no one has not tried yet.

So, --- if it is too long to read to someone --
it was not said to harm you, but it is the hard truth when you look around -- 20+ tracker clones as one mans-project and no-one can use that source code which he left behind becouse it was made public but never ment to be useful for others, as also it is not feasible to make retro software which requires latest platforms.

about "defunct systems" ... people are still using C64, Amiga, DOS... on a much newer hardware.

Also, the Renoise developer said also that it is impossible to do for him his renoise on win98se, but Yannick did something -- programming this to be run on WIN98SE, thing what was meant to be impossible. Wink

SX001
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Joined: 22 Sep 2006

Posted: Tue Jul 28 2026 14:54

as we see

Magic wrote:

SX001 wrote:

the AI for coding (and after that fixing its errors) is effective indeed. And fast too. I am using too. as it helps quite well for complex calculus formulas.

So the point was that -- perhaps to make a different approach since we have seen it already on 20+ tracker clone developments from the scratch.
The project documentation has to be made in mind "if it is not documented, it does not exist", and it gives abstract overview, so that there is no need to read line-by-line entire code to add new functionality. It makes much less prone to errors, much more readable and also people are much more willing to take it in hand too after working for it. But just writing documentation "is not as fun as coding", still... after 20 tracker clones and 30 years, perhaps it is time for some change -- how many times more to start from the scratch? This is my thought -- that before coding to make the development plan. I have asked it several times before.

but for communication ... why not irc ( as always ) ... in ircnet #spacesynth or in the classic #madtracker channel on dalnet as we still have built in that irc... Wink

so lets get some time scheduled.

Yeah fck this bullocks im out ! Go live in the dark ages !

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